Facchetti's son: 'Hand back title'
The son of former Inter President Giacinto Facchetti has urged the club to “hand back” the contentious 2005-06 Scudetto.
The title was assigned to the Nerazzurri, who finished third behind Inter and Milan, following the Calciopoli scandal.
Now Luciano Moggi’s lawyers are publishing a series of wiretapped phone calls, including those between Facchetti and the refereeing designator Paolo Bergamo, in a bid to suggest Juventus were not alone in their rapport with the officials.
“He did call them, but it was in a different way to Moggi,” Facchetti’s son, Gianfelice, told Le Iene.
Nerazzurri legend Facchetti died in September 2006, soon after the Calciopoli scandal.
“The content was very different. Moggi’s lawyers are putting my father in the middle because the trial has reached a crucial stage.
“There has been serious and unacceptable falsification of the information, as the transcripts are not the same as the phone calls released to the media.”
However, Facchetti has told Inter to take the higher ground and silence the controversy around that so-called ‘Cardboard Scudetto.’
“It would be a shocking gesture to hand back the 2005-06 title, but one that would give our history even more credence.
“Even by giving that back, there will be those who want the other Scudetti that were stripped, but in my view simply releasing that tournament would be a winning move for Inter.”
This way the 2005-06 edition would simply not be assigned, like the 2004-05 Scudetto taken from Juventus.
http://www.football-italia.net/apr14s.html
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The closest you will get to an Interista admitting the assigning of that scudetto was a disgrace.
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Goal.com Calciopoli Debate: Inter Could Risk Relegation, Juventus Could Claim Compensation Of €200 Million
Goal.com analyses the potential outcomes and punishments to teams caught up in Calciopoli II, and points out that Inter could be revoked of the 2006 Scudetto and even relegated from Serie A…
On Tuesday, a hearing in Naples regarding the 2006 football scandal took a twist that could see the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) placed under the microscope again.
Luciano Moggi’s lawyers presented evidence that further discredit claims that the former Juventus director controlled the league prior to 2006. The lawyers examined Col. Attilio Auricchio, who headed the investigation in 2006, and unmasked potential evidence tampering. This revelation could open the door to a retrial.
It should be noted that this trial is occurring in two theatres; criminal charges are being handled in Civil Court while sporting matters will be handled by the FIGC where titles and relegations could be decided.
If evidence tampering is confirmed, criminal charges will no doubt be made against Auricchio. If he were to reveal who he was tampering evidence for, countless individuals in the football and telecommunications world could find themselves in much more compromising courts than sporting tribunals.
The FIGC has also officially opened their books on the situation and yesterday received the evidence from Naples which they will review to determine if a retrial should be undertaken. The confirmation of evidence tampering could prove the relegation and title stripping of Juventus as wrongful and lead the team to seek compensation for the titles and 200-plus million euros lost as a result of the initial verdicts.
The nature of the new wiretaps is also cause for concern. Unlike in 2006, direct conversations between referees and presidents are now being heard (Facchetti-De Santis) along with coach to designator calls (Spalletti-Bergamo). Direct requests for referees and influence over the refereeing grids (random draw for referee assigning) as well as private meetings have also been unveiled.
Yesterday, former referee designator Paolo Bergamo told Rai Sport that he did in fact dine with Inter's Massimo Moratti and Giacinto Facchetti and that he did receive gifts over the holidays. Bergamo went on to state that Facchetti did request specific referees be placed in the “grids”. Such accusations exceed those heard in 2006 for all clubs and would suggest that Inter could be at risk of relegation along with potential title stripping for the 2006 league title (assigned in court) and the 2005 Coppa Italia/Supercoppa Italiana since calls revolving around Coppa matches have now emerged between Moratti and Bergamo.
The wiretaps of other directors and coaches spanning clubs from Udinese to Cagliari have also been presented, lending credibility to Bergamo’s claim that he spoke to all and that it was even encouraged by the league in order to maintain positive dialogue. Moggi has been quoted as saying “either everyone is innocent or everyone is guilty” as a result, but from a legal standpoint such a claim may be too simplistic.
It appears that everyone did in fact maintain close relations with the referee designators which is in itself a violation (though minor), but the degrees of guilt may vary based on the recent courtroom revelations.
Time will tell now how the proceedings will unfold. The Naples hearings will resume on Tuesday April 20.
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Sorry these are from goal.com, I don't like they suggestive articles but they are one of the few English language sites covering this in depth.
Four scenarios are possible here:
- Every team is found guilty of the same crime - the 2006 scudetto is left void and possible later ones for Inter, Inter and others later implicated are punished with points penalties, possibly resulting in demotion
- Every team is found innocent (only 'minor' offences) - Juventus given 2005 & 2006 scudetti back and financial compensation from the FIGC, possible claims from Fiorentina, Lazio, Milan, Reggina and Messina for defamation and other
- Every team is innocent (only 'minor' offences) - but Inter are found to have orchestrated a plot and coup in 2006, like the above point but Inter facing both sporting and criminal charges
- Juventus and Moggi are still found to be the main culprit - Juventus can't be punished twice, this outcome would be incredible but maybe not so surprising in Italy, Moggi would lose his case and have a suspended jail sentence
Goal.com analyses the potential outcomes and punishments to teams caught up in Calciopoli II, and points out that Inter could be revoked of the 2006 Scudetto and even relegated from Serie A…
On Tuesday, a hearing in Naples regarding the 2006 football scandal took a twist that could see the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) placed under the microscope again.
Luciano Moggi’s lawyers presented evidence that further discredit claims that the former Juventus director controlled the league prior to 2006. The lawyers examined Col. Attilio Auricchio, who headed the investigation in 2006, and unmasked potential evidence tampering. This revelation could open the door to a retrial.
It should be noted that this trial is occurring in two theatres; criminal charges are being handled in Civil Court while sporting matters will be handled by the FIGC where titles and relegations could be decided.
If evidence tampering is confirmed, criminal charges will no doubt be made against Auricchio. If he were to reveal who he was tampering evidence for, countless individuals in the football and telecommunications world could find themselves in much more compromising courts than sporting tribunals.
The FIGC has also officially opened their books on the situation and yesterday received the evidence from Naples which they will review to determine if a retrial should be undertaken. The confirmation of evidence tampering could prove the relegation and title stripping of Juventus as wrongful and lead the team to seek compensation for the titles and 200-plus million euros lost as a result of the initial verdicts.
The nature of the new wiretaps is also cause for concern. Unlike in 2006, direct conversations between referees and presidents are now being heard (Facchetti-De Santis) along with coach to designator calls (Spalletti-Bergamo). Direct requests for referees and influence over the refereeing grids (random draw for referee assigning) as well as private meetings have also been unveiled.
Yesterday, former referee designator Paolo Bergamo told Rai Sport that he did in fact dine with Inter's Massimo Moratti and Giacinto Facchetti and that he did receive gifts over the holidays. Bergamo went on to state that Facchetti did request specific referees be placed in the “grids”. Such accusations exceed those heard in 2006 for all clubs and would suggest that Inter could be at risk of relegation along with potential title stripping for the 2006 league title (assigned in court) and the 2005 Coppa Italia/Supercoppa Italiana since calls revolving around Coppa matches have now emerged between Moratti and Bergamo.
The wiretaps of other directors and coaches spanning clubs from Udinese to Cagliari have also been presented, lending credibility to Bergamo’s claim that he spoke to all and that it was even encouraged by the league in order to maintain positive dialogue. Moggi has been quoted as saying “either everyone is innocent or everyone is guilty” as a result, but from a legal standpoint such a claim may be too simplistic.
It appears that everyone did in fact maintain close relations with the referee designators which is in itself a violation (though minor), but the degrees of guilt may vary based on the recent courtroom revelations.
Time will tell now how the proceedings will unfold. The Naples hearings will resume on Tuesday April 20.
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Sorry these are from goal.com, I don't like they suggestive articles but they are one of the few English language sites covering this in depth.
Four scenarios are possible here:
- Every team is found guilty of the same crime - the 2006 scudetto is left void and possible later ones for Inter, Inter and others later implicated are punished with points penalties, possibly resulting in demotion
- Every team is found innocent (only 'minor' offences) - Juventus given 2005 & 2006 scudetti back and financial compensation from the FIGC, possible claims from Fiorentina, Lazio, Milan, Reggina and Messina for defamation and other
- Every team is innocent (only 'minor' offences) - but Inter are found to have orchestrated a plot and coup in 2006, like the above point but Inter facing both sporting and criminal charges
- Juventus and Moggi are still found to be the main culprit - Juventus can't be punished twice, this outcome would be incredible but maybe not so surprising in Italy, Moggi would lose his case and have a suspended jail sentence
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Oct 29 2007, 04:31 PM) 
And, anyone who believes Serie A is suddenly different because Moggi is no longer there is sadly mistaken. According to punishments, ie he was the only one removed from his position, then Moggi ran the entire Serie A. If you believe that you probably believe in aliens and 9/11 conspiracy theories. Everyone else is still there, Inter still have a massive influence on media and the referee designator, Juve keep having non-existent penalties against us, yet we are supposed to believe it is all honest mistakes. Perhaps, not knowing what I know.
QUOTE
“He did call them, but it was in a different way to Moggi,” Facchetti’s son, Gianfelice, told Le Iene.
Huh? What, did he use a cool smartphone instead of a regular cellphone? Calling designators is calling designators. I don't like this guy at all.
Moggi: 'I am not the black sheep'
Disgraced former Juventus director general Luciano Moggi insists that he is not 'the black sheep of Italian football'.
Moggi was banned from football for five years in 2006 for his part in the Calciopoli scandal that saw Juventus relegated to Serie B.
He is currently on trial in Naples, where his defence lawyers have presented new evidence that appears to implicate Inter and several other clubs.
“I have never been the black sheep of Italian football,” Moggi told Mattino 5.
“They put me in this situation so all the others could stay where they were and keep doing what they did.
“I was accused because my team won and won because it was the strongest. If they had lost all this would not be verified.
“I expect this trial to finish polluted by many things also by the concealment of many of these wiretaps. To conceal means to not let the truth emerge.”
http://www.football-italia.net/apr15n.html
Disgraced former Juventus director general Luciano Moggi insists that he is not 'the black sheep of Italian football'.
Moggi was banned from football for five years in 2006 for his part in the Calciopoli scandal that saw Juventus relegated to Serie B.
He is currently on trial in Naples, where his defence lawyers have presented new evidence that appears to implicate Inter and several other clubs.
“I have never been the black sheep of Italian football,” Moggi told Mattino 5.
“They put me in this situation so all the others could stay where they were and keep doing what they did.
“I was accused because my team won and won because it was the strongest. If they had lost all this would not be verified.
“I expect this trial to finish polluted by many things also by the concealment of many of these wiretaps. To conceal means to not let the truth emerge.”
http://www.football-italia.net/apr15n.html
QUOTE(iosonocanadese @ Apr 15 2010, 01:33 PM)
Huh? What, did he use a cool smartphone instead of a regular cellphone? Calling designators is calling designators. I don't like this guy at all.
Auricchio is gonna get booked. At least he should be. His investigation was insanely shoddy and it looks more and more like it was intentionally so. Didn't he say a couple times that they actually DID know there was evidence involving Inter, but 'considered it unimportant?' 
And yeah, while Facchetti was an excellent player, and practically defined the 'terzino volante' role, he clearly had a very close relationship with the ref designators, moreso than Moggi it would seem.
And yeah, while Facchetti was an excellent player, and practically defined the 'terzino volante' role, he clearly had a very close relationship with the ref designators, moreso than Moggi it would seem.
Yes he did, the police ignored anything that wasn't centred around Juventus, with the exception of Meani, who could not be ignored. The other were all linked to Juventus, even Milan by the way of being a 'successful club'.
I'd put it to Interisti, why they think Milan dominated European and Italian football in the later 80s/early 90s, why Juventus dominated European and Italian football in the mid-late 90s, why the teams contested the Champions League final in 2003. Were Juventus and Milan also fixing European football at the time? In fact, it has been shown in calls now that Inter were the ones in touch with a UEFA official (Gagg) through Facchetti, yet they failed miserably at home and abroad for a long time.
Anyway, new development:
Seems the delay may have been a deliberate ploy by Moggi's lawyers.
I'd put it to Interisti, why they think Milan dominated European and Italian football in the later 80s/early 90s, why Juventus dominated European and Italian football in the mid-late 90s, why the teams contested the Champions League final in 2003. Were Juventus and Milan also fixing European football at the time? In fact, it has been shown in calls now that Inter were the ones in touch with a UEFA official (Gagg) through Facchetti, yet they failed miserably at home and abroad for a long time.
Anyway, new development:
QUOTE
Meanwhile, more than 6,500 new calls and contacts have emerged and are likely to be uncovered at the next hearing on Tuesday. Tuttosport claims they show a number of calls in which the discussing of the referee grids is a common theme.
Seems the delay may have been a deliberate ploy by Moggi's lawyers.
Here's the 75 calls in audio: http://www.tuttosport.com/archivio/video/c...alciopoli-448/1
Calciopoli Watch: FIGC Ordered Refs Not To Help Juventus, Milan Spoke To Collina, Fiorentina Consider Legal Action
Goal.com rounds up all the biggest Calciopoli stories of the day...
By Salvatore Landolina
The latest shocking revelation in relation to the on-going Calciopoli trial in Naples has revealed that the chief of Italian football at the time, Franco Carraro, issued orders that referees must not help Juventus. And, Milan have been accused of speaking with referees, not just designators.
The latest call to be transcribed from the evidence obtained by Luciano Moggi's legal team at the trial shows how the Italian FA (FIGC) ensured Juventus were not helped during Calciopoli.
In fact, it was the then FIGC president Franco Carraro who called referee designator Paolo Bergamo telling him that Juventus were to be sent a referee who would not help them during a game in the build up to a Lega Calcio election.
It's a sensational revelation which suggests the then chief of Italian football used his power to manipulate games for his and the authorities own agenda.
And it has led to some claiming the whole Calciopoli process in 2006 should have been thrown out.
Here is a transcript from one of the calls shown live on the Diretta Stadio programme on television channel 7Gold.
The call involves Bergamo and Carrarro. The head of the FA (Carraro) asks for Rodomonti to be sent for the Juventus game, but warns Bergamo of the consequences of any mistakes that could favour the Old Lady.
Carraro: Please I recommend you ensure he [Rodomonti] doesn't help Juventus because it's a very delicate time for us at the Lega. Please, ensure it's an honest affair, but make sure there are no mistakes that could favour Juventus. Don't help Juventus.
Bergamo: Don't worry I will speak to him about it. I will call him after he finishes training tomorrow.
Carraro: Just make sure he doesn't make any mistakes because if he does and it favours Juventus then it would be a disaster.
One of the guests on the show who was sitting next to Luciano Moggi as the transcript was played believes the whole Calcipoli process at the time should have been thrown out based on that call.
"It's a scandal. We are talking about the head of Italian football here. Based on just this call, the whole Calciopoli process should have been scrapped," said the guest.
Since then, Moggi has spoken further on the subject, and he has blamed the current Juventus management for not doing enough to protect the club from the sharp edges of Calciopoli.
He says the Old Lady would never have gone down to Serie B if the Elkann ownership fought for the cause with greater effort back in 2006.
"Inter's 2006 Scudetto? They should have given it to my porter, it would have been safe there," Moggi told Mattino Cinque.
"The problem is another though. Juventus did not defend anyone. If they had defended themselves like other clubs, there would never have gone down to Serie B."
Mario Sconcerti, a columnist for the Corriere della Sera newspaper and football pundit for Sky Sport Italia has defended Juventus in light of all the latest developments that have been churned up by the trial in Naples.
"It wasn't about the decision to give a Scudetto, but to take two away from Juventus was grave and serious. You cannot take away a club's history because of the behaviour of certain directors," he told Il Sussidiario.net.
But, that's not all, Milan have now been accused of having direct communication with referees at the time.
In another call, published by L'Espresso, the then Milan consultant Leonardo Meani spoke with referee Pierluigi Collina after he took a game between Siena and Milan. Meani says Milan vice president Adriano Galliani is keen to speak with the bald-headed whistle blower.
Meani: He [Adriano Galliani] asked about you. He wanted to have a chat, but couldn't because the location was not ideal.
Meani then invites Collina to a meeting at Galliani's house, but the referee refuses, fearing he will be recognised.
Collina: Both myself and Galliani can easily be recognised, I wouldn't want someone to see us.
Collina and Galliani are then alleged to have met at Meani's own restaurant for a meeting and again on other occasions.
Some time after the original Calcipoli scandal, Collina was promoted, and is currently the Serie A and B referee designator.
Meanwhile, Fiorentina, who missed out on two Champions League seasons because of their points penalty in 2006 have hinted they could take legal action based on further developments in the Naples trial.
Viola deputy chairman Mario Cognini told La Nazione newspaper, "We had made a complaint stratight away that we were victims of a profound injustice.
"What will we do now? We will wait for the outcomes, then we can take initiative so that our rights are respected."
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Wow, wow, wow.
Goal.com rounds up all the biggest Calciopoli stories of the day...
By Salvatore Landolina
The latest shocking revelation in relation to the on-going Calciopoli trial in Naples has revealed that the chief of Italian football at the time, Franco Carraro, issued orders that referees must not help Juventus. And, Milan have been accused of speaking with referees, not just designators.
The latest call to be transcribed from the evidence obtained by Luciano Moggi's legal team at the trial shows how the Italian FA (FIGC) ensured Juventus were not helped during Calciopoli.
In fact, it was the then FIGC president Franco Carraro who called referee designator Paolo Bergamo telling him that Juventus were to be sent a referee who would not help them during a game in the build up to a Lega Calcio election.
It's a sensational revelation which suggests the then chief of Italian football used his power to manipulate games for his and the authorities own agenda.
And it has led to some claiming the whole Calciopoli process in 2006 should have been thrown out.
Here is a transcript from one of the calls shown live on the Diretta Stadio programme on television channel 7Gold.
The call involves Bergamo and Carrarro. The head of the FA (Carraro) asks for Rodomonti to be sent for the Juventus game, but warns Bergamo of the consequences of any mistakes that could favour the Old Lady.
Carraro: Please I recommend you ensure he [Rodomonti] doesn't help Juventus because it's a very delicate time for us at the Lega. Please, ensure it's an honest affair, but make sure there are no mistakes that could favour Juventus. Don't help Juventus.
Bergamo: Don't worry I will speak to him about it. I will call him after he finishes training tomorrow.
Carraro: Just make sure he doesn't make any mistakes because if he does and it favours Juventus then it would be a disaster.
One of the guests on the show who was sitting next to Luciano Moggi as the transcript was played believes the whole Calcipoli process at the time should have been thrown out based on that call.
"It's a scandal. We are talking about the head of Italian football here. Based on just this call, the whole Calciopoli process should have been scrapped," said the guest.
Since then, Moggi has spoken further on the subject, and he has blamed the current Juventus management for not doing enough to protect the club from the sharp edges of Calciopoli.
He says the Old Lady would never have gone down to Serie B if the Elkann ownership fought for the cause with greater effort back in 2006.
"Inter's 2006 Scudetto? They should have given it to my porter, it would have been safe there," Moggi told Mattino Cinque.
"The problem is another though. Juventus did not defend anyone. If they had defended themselves like other clubs, there would never have gone down to Serie B."
Mario Sconcerti, a columnist for the Corriere della Sera newspaper and football pundit for Sky Sport Italia has defended Juventus in light of all the latest developments that have been churned up by the trial in Naples.
"It wasn't about the decision to give a Scudetto, but to take two away from Juventus was grave and serious. You cannot take away a club's history because of the behaviour of certain directors," he told Il Sussidiario.net.
But, that's not all, Milan have now been accused of having direct communication with referees at the time.
In another call, published by L'Espresso, the then Milan consultant Leonardo Meani spoke with referee Pierluigi Collina after he took a game between Siena and Milan. Meani says Milan vice president Adriano Galliani is keen to speak with the bald-headed whistle blower.
Meani: He [Adriano Galliani] asked about you. He wanted to have a chat, but couldn't because the location was not ideal.
Meani then invites Collina to a meeting at Galliani's house, but the referee refuses, fearing he will be recognised.
Collina: Both myself and Galliani can easily be recognised, I wouldn't want someone to see us.
Collina and Galliani are then alleged to have met at Meani's own restaurant for a meeting and again on other occasions.
Some time after the original Calcipoli scandal, Collina was promoted, and is currently the Serie A and B referee designator.
Meanwhile, Fiorentina, who missed out on two Champions League seasons because of their points penalty in 2006 have hinted they could take legal action based on further developments in the Naples trial.
Viola deputy chairman Mario Cognini told La Nazione newspaper, "We had made a complaint stratight away that we were victims of a profound injustice.
"What will we do now? We will wait for the outcomes, then we can take initiative so that our rights are respected."
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Wow, wow, wow.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
The case against Moggi and Juventus is on its knees.
Fuck the FIGC, fuck the little circle of Galliani-Meani-Collina at Milan, fuck Inter and their thieves, and fuck Italian journalists who change their story from one day to the next.
Well done to Fiorentina for having the balls to come out with a serious statement.
The case against Moggi and Juventus is on its knees.
Fuck the FIGC, fuck the little circle of Galliani-Meani-Collina at Milan, fuck Inter and their thieves, and fuck Italian journalists who change their story from one day to the next.
Well done to Fiorentina for having the balls to come out with a serious statement.
Oh, and again, fuck Elkann and our board for accepting Serie B.
Calciopoli: 75 Phone Calls Involving Inter, Milan & Roma With Referees & Designators Revealed
Details of 75 phone calls fuel the Calciopoli scandal in Serie A…
There were more shocking revelations in the tale of the ongoing Calciopoli scandal rocking Serie A, as the 75 phone calls that Luciano Moggi's defence team presented to the court on Tuesday were revealed in the press.
The majority of the recorded calls involve former Inter president Giacinto Facchetti, while others include Cagliari president Massimo Cellino, Bologna president Renato Cipollini, former Palermo director Rino Foschi, Reggina’s Pasquale Foti, Milan vice president Adriano Galliani, Roma chief Daniele Prade, former Udinese coach Luciano Spalletti, Cagliari President Massimo Cellino, ex-referee designators Paolo Bergamo and Pierluigi Pairetto and former referee Massimo De Santis.
Some of the most damaging calls revealed involve Facchetti talking to referee De Santis and to designator Bergamo to discuss referee grids and a present from Massimo Moratti, former Milan director Leonardo Meani talking to De Santis before the Milan derby, Cellino asking for a referee from Bergamo, and Foschi making requests from De Santis.
More information from the calls should come out next Tuesday when the trial resumes in Naples, but below is a brief summary of the 75 calls:
1) 24/11/2004
BERGAMO-Pairetto
"Ayroldi altered the report on Totti”
2) 12/05/2005
CELLINO-BERGAMO
3) 22/02/2005
CELLINO-BERGAMO
"Send me an arbitrator"
4) 22-052005
CELLINO-Pairetto
5) 07/03/2005
CIPOLLINI-BERGAMO
6) 08/03/2005
CIPOLLINI-BERGAMO
7) 26/02/2005
DE SANTIS
"Try calling Facchetti"
8) 26/05/2005
FACCHETTI-MAZZINI
"The boy plays tomorrow"
9) 27/05/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Milan is Ayroldi"
10) 03-012005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Dinner date"
11) 05/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Arriving in Pisa at five"
12) 02/02/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"I've fought With Racalbuto”
13) 25/02/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"They decide the pitch and assistants'
14) 26/04/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"The game against Juve was
well prepared"
15) 14/05/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Mancini is calm"
16) 23/12/2004
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Moratti has a gift to give"
17) 27/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Paparesta was well prepared"
18) 05/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
'Park'
19) 26/11/2004
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"For those who have been put on the grid this Sunday”
20) 09/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"That’s a game we must win together"
21) 17/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"I leave the tiles and materials in the lobby"
22) 10/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"I will send you Gemignani and Nicoletti"
23) 24/02/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"I can recall"
24) 03/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Trefoloni is relaxed and available"
25) 15/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Walter Gagg at home Facchetti"
26) 24/03/2005
FACCHETTI-DE SANTIS
27) 24/03/2005
FACCHETTI-DE SANTIS
"Secretary"
28) 15/03/2005
FACCHETTI-Ghirelli
"Ticket Attorney”
29) 28/12/2004
FACCHETTI-Ghirelli
"With Scotland in Milan"
30) 28/12/2004
FACCHETTI-Ghirelli
"The pitch is bad”
31) 28/12/2004
FACCHETTI-Ghirelli
"I’ll talk with Galliani"
32) 04/01/2005
FACCHETTI-Ghirelli
"Federal Policy"
33) 08/02/2005
FACCHETTI-LANES
"These designators will be affected"
34) 25/11/2004
FACCHETTI-MAZZEI
"It's the grid with Mazzei"
35) 12/12/2004
FACCHETTI-MAZZEI
"I’m not coming because there are journalists there."
36) 11/12/2004
FACCHETTI-MAZZEI
"Step to get tickets tomorrow"
37) 25/11/2004
FACCHETTI-MAZZEI
"Choose well for Sunday evening’s referees and assistants"
38) 11/02/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"You have done it for the Cup"
39) 16/11/2004
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"You have selected for the Cup"
40) 11/02/2205
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"You put in the Trefoloni"
41) 12/04/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"I need a favour"
42) 02/02/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"The potential is there"
43) 17/03/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"Good luck for the game"
44) 02/03/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"Leave me two tickets"
45) 12/04/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"Pairetto left a message on the answering [machine]"
46) 31/03/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"Pairetto left a message with the secretary"
47) 31/03/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"On Saturday we are all on international [duty]”
48) 14/04/2005
FOSCHI-DE SANTIS
"We must see”
49) 25/02/2005
FOSCHI-DE SANTIS
"I congratulate you”
50) 08/03/2005
FOSCHI-PAIRETTO
'Turn the referees around, put them in the first band”
51) 26/01/2005
FOSCHI-PAIRETTO
"Tickets and more”
52) 06/01/2005
FOSCHI-PAIRETTO
"Cazziatone"
53) 02/04/2005
FOSCHI-Pairetto
"Cazziatone on Cesena"
54) 22/04/2005
FOSCHI-Pairetto
"Cazziatone on Cesena"
55) 22/04/2005
FOSCHI-Pairetto
"Cazziatone the draw"
56) 22/03/2005
FOSCHI-Pairetto
"Compliment Rodomonti"
57) 04/02/2005
FOSCHI-Pairetto
"We are worried about De Santis”
58) 28/11/2004
FOTI-BERGAMO
59) 04/12/2004
FOTI-BERGAMO
60) 11/12/2004
FOTI-BERGAMO
61) 07/11/2004
FOTI-BERGAMO
"Make the Grid"
62) 16/05/2005
GALLIANI-BERGAMO
63) 28/04/2005
GALLIANI-BERGAMO
'Asks Bergamo for help from Galliani'
64) 17/05/2005
GALLIANI-BERGAMO
"The draw against Juve was a shock”
65) 01/03/2005
GALLIANI-MAZZINI
66) 11/04/2005
GALLIANI-MAZZINI
67) 28/11/2004
GALLIANI-Pairetto
"We will cheer”
68) 17/05/2005
GALLIANI-Pairetto
"The secretary invited him to Turkey”
69) 24/03/2005
GALLIANI-Pairetto
"Pairetto complimented Galliani on voicemail”
70) 27/02/2007
Meani-DE SANTIS
"Before the Derby”
71) 25/12/2004
MORATTI-BERGAMO
72) 25/12/2004
MORATTI-BERGAMO
73) 10/01/2005
MORATTI-BERGAMO
74) 21/05/2005
Prada-MAZZINI
"We rely on you”
75) ,12-05-2005
SPALLETTI-BERGAMO
"I will put Pisacreta and Griselli on duty, we will make it happen"
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I posted the calls above:
Details of 75 phone calls fuel the Calciopoli scandal in Serie A…
There were more shocking revelations in the tale of the ongoing Calciopoli scandal rocking Serie A, as the 75 phone calls that Luciano Moggi's defence team presented to the court on Tuesday were revealed in the press.
The majority of the recorded calls involve former Inter president Giacinto Facchetti, while others include Cagliari president Massimo Cellino, Bologna president Renato Cipollini, former Palermo director Rino Foschi, Reggina’s Pasquale Foti, Milan vice president Adriano Galliani, Roma chief Daniele Prade, former Udinese coach Luciano Spalletti, Cagliari President Massimo Cellino, ex-referee designators Paolo Bergamo and Pierluigi Pairetto and former referee Massimo De Santis.
Some of the most damaging calls revealed involve Facchetti talking to referee De Santis and to designator Bergamo to discuss referee grids and a present from Massimo Moratti, former Milan director Leonardo Meani talking to De Santis before the Milan derby, Cellino asking for a referee from Bergamo, and Foschi making requests from De Santis.
More information from the calls should come out next Tuesday when the trial resumes in Naples, but below is a brief summary of the 75 calls:
1) 24/11/2004
BERGAMO-Pairetto
"Ayroldi altered the report on Totti”
2) 12/05/2005
CELLINO-BERGAMO
3) 22/02/2005
CELLINO-BERGAMO
"Send me an arbitrator"
4) 22-052005
CELLINO-Pairetto
5) 07/03/2005
CIPOLLINI-BERGAMO
6) 08/03/2005
CIPOLLINI-BERGAMO
7) 26/02/2005
DE SANTIS
"Try calling Facchetti"
8) 26/05/2005
FACCHETTI-MAZZINI
"The boy plays tomorrow"
9) 27/05/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Milan is Ayroldi"
10) 03-012005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Dinner date"
11) 05/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Arriving in Pisa at five"
12) 02/02/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"I've fought With Racalbuto”
13) 25/02/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"They decide the pitch and assistants'
14) 26/04/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"The game against Juve was
well prepared"
15) 14/05/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Mancini is calm"
16) 23/12/2004
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Moratti has a gift to give"
17) 27/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Paparesta was well prepared"
18) 05/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
'Park'
19) 26/11/2004
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"For those who have been put on the grid this Sunday”
20) 09/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"That’s a game we must win together"
21) 17/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"I leave the tiles and materials in the lobby"
22) 10/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"I will send you Gemignani and Nicoletti"
23) 24/02/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"I can recall"
24) 03/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Trefoloni is relaxed and available"
25) 15/01/2005
FACCHETTI-BERGAMO
"Walter Gagg at home Facchetti"
26) 24/03/2005
FACCHETTI-DE SANTIS
27) 24/03/2005
FACCHETTI-DE SANTIS
"Secretary"
28) 15/03/2005
FACCHETTI-Ghirelli
"Ticket Attorney”
29) 28/12/2004
FACCHETTI-Ghirelli
"With Scotland in Milan"
30) 28/12/2004
FACCHETTI-Ghirelli
"The pitch is bad”
31) 28/12/2004
FACCHETTI-Ghirelli
"I’ll talk with Galliani"
32) 04/01/2005
FACCHETTI-Ghirelli
"Federal Policy"
33) 08/02/2005
FACCHETTI-LANES
"These designators will be affected"
34) 25/11/2004
FACCHETTI-MAZZEI
"It's the grid with Mazzei"
35) 12/12/2004
FACCHETTI-MAZZEI
"I’m not coming because there are journalists there."
36) 11/12/2004
FACCHETTI-MAZZEI
"Step to get tickets tomorrow"
37) 25/11/2004
FACCHETTI-MAZZEI
"Choose well for Sunday evening’s referees and assistants"
38) 11/02/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"You have done it for the Cup"
39) 16/11/2004
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"You have selected for the Cup"
40) 11/02/2205
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"You put in the Trefoloni"
41) 12/04/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"I need a favour"
42) 02/02/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"The potential is there"
43) 17/03/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"Good luck for the game"
44) 02/03/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"Leave me two tickets"
45) 12/04/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"Pairetto left a message on the answering [machine]"
46) 31/03/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"Pairetto left a message with the secretary"
47) 31/03/2005
FACCHETTI-Pairetto
"On Saturday we are all on international [duty]”
48) 14/04/2005
FOSCHI-DE SANTIS
"We must see”
49) 25/02/2005
FOSCHI-DE SANTIS
"I congratulate you”
50) 08/03/2005
FOSCHI-PAIRETTO
'Turn the referees around, put them in the first band”
51) 26/01/2005
FOSCHI-PAIRETTO
"Tickets and more”
52) 06/01/2005
FOSCHI-PAIRETTO
"Cazziatone"
53) 02/04/2005
FOSCHI-Pairetto
"Cazziatone on Cesena"
54) 22/04/2005
FOSCHI-Pairetto
"Cazziatone on Cesena"
55) 22/04/2005
FOSCHI-Pairetto
"Cazziatone the draw"
56) 22/03/2005
FOSCHI-Pairetto
"Compliment Rodomonti"
57) 04/02/2005
FOSCHI-Pairetto
"We are worried about De Santis”
58) 28/11/2004
FOTI-BERGAMO
59) 04/12/2004
FOTI-BERGAMO
60) 11/12/2004
FOTI-BERGAMO
61) 07/11/2004
FOTI-BERGAMO
"Make the Grid"
62) 16/05/2005
GALLIANI-BERGAMO
63) 28/04/2005
GALLIANI-BERGAMO
'Asks Bergamo for help from Galliani'
64) 17/05/2005
GALLIANI-BERGAMO
"The draw against Juve was a shock”
65) 01/03/2005
GALLIANI-MAZZINI
66) 11/04/2005
GALLIANI-MAZZINI
67) 28/11/2004
GALLIANI-Pairetto
"We will cheer”
68) 17/05/2005
GALLIANI-Pairetto
"The secretary invited him to Turkey”
69) 24/03/2005
GALLIANI-Pairetto
"Pairetto complimented Galliani on voicemail”
70) 27/02/2007
Meani-DE SANTIS
"Before the Derby”
71) 25/12/2004
MORATTI-BERGAMO
72) 25/12/2004
MORATTI-BERGAMO
73) 10/01/2005
MORATTI-BERGAMO
74) 21/05/2005
Prada-MAZZINI
"We rely on you”
75) ,12-05-2005
SPALLETTI-BERGAMO
"I will put Pisacreta and Griselli on duty, we will make it happen"
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I posted the calls above:
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Apr 15 2010, 04:25 PM)
Here's the 75 calls in audio: http://www.tuttosport.com/archivio/video/c...alciopoli-448/1
De Laurentiis: 'Is football worth it?'
Napoli President Aurelio De Laurentiis has questioned whether it's worthwhile staying in football after the latest revelations from the Calciopoli trial.
New evidence has emerged that appears to implicate several clubs, including Inter who were initially untainted by the 2006 scandal.
There have been mounting calls for Inter to give back the Scudetto they were awarded for the 2005-06 season, which was revoked from Juventus.
“I am out of Calciopoli and anyway I don't want to speak about it,” De Laurentiis said.
When asked to reveal what the scandal made him think, De Laurentiis replied: “I asked myself if it's worth staying in this environment.
“I told myself: 'Perhaps'…”
De Laurentiis has complained about the treatment his side has received from referees on several occasions this season, often implying that sinister things are going on behind the scenes.
Football Italia
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Napoli President Aurelio De Laurentiis has questioned whether it's worthwhile staying in football after the latest revelations from the Calciopoli trial.
New evidence has emerged that appears to implicate several clubs, including Inter who were initially untainted by the 2006 scandal.
There have been mounting calls for Inter to give back the Scudetto they were awarded for the 2005-06 season, which was revoked from Juventus.
“I am out of Calciopoli and anyway I don't want to speak about it,” De Laurentiis said.
When asked to reveal what the scandal made him think, De Laurentiis replied: “I asked myself if it's worth staying in this environment.
“I told myself: 'Perhaps'…”
De Laurentiis has complained about the treatment his side has received from referees on several occasions this season, often implying that sinister things are going on behind the scenes.
Football Italia
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Just wow. The shit has hit the fan.
Blanc: 'Juve vigilant on Calciopoli'
Juventus President Jean-Claude Blanc has stated his club will be “vigilant” during the Calciopoli trial.
The Bianconeri were stripped of two Scudetti and demoted to Serie B during the 2006 scandal, but new wiretaps in Luciano Moggi’s trial are raising doubts over how many sides were involved.
“This requires a sense of responsibility. We need to use the right tone without making shock tactic statements,” insisted Blanc.
“In any case, Juventus are vigilant and following everything very carefully indeed.”
There are reports that the outcome of the trial could prompt a rethink about the stripped titles, or at least remove the 2005-06 Scudetto that was handed to Inter.
The timing is remarkable, as the two clubs go head-to-head at San Siro in tonight’s Serie A clash.
“We have someone who deals with these matters. We’ll wait a few days and then perhaps will understand the situation a little better.
“We were clear in our statement last week. We are vigilant, will monitor developments and it is important to show our sense of responsibility, especially on the day of a game like tonight’s.
“There will be time for an equal and correct justice system to make its decision. At the moment it is still up for debate.”
Furious fans hurled eggs and smoke bombs at the Juventus team bus this morning as it arrived in Milan.
“Certain behaviour is unacceptable. These fans are not helping the team. A banner held up by three men does not represent the belief of 14 million fans.
“There are five finals that await us now, starting from this evening. This game must be a model of sporting justice and fair play on every level.
“If the two clubs step on to the field with this approach, perhaps we can ask the fans to have the same level of civility between them.”
Juventus President Jean-Claude Blanc has stated his club will be “vigilant” during the Calciopoli trial.
The Bianconeri were stripped of two Scudetti and demoted to Serie B during the 2006 scandal, but new wiretaps in Luciano Moggi’s trial are raising doubts over how many sides were involved.
“This requires a sense of responsibility. We need to use the right tone without making shock tactic statements,” insisted Blanc.
“In any case, Juventus are vigilant and following everything very carefully indeed.”
There are reports that the outcome of the trial could prompt a rethink about the stripped titles, or at least remove the 2005-06 Scudetto that was handed to Inter.
The timing is remarkable, as the two clubs go head-to-head at San Siro in tonight’s Serie A clash.
“We have someone who deals with these matters. We’ll wait a few days and then perhaps will understand the situation a little better.
“We were clear in our statement last week. We are vigilant, will monitor developments and it is important to show our sense of responsibility, especially on the day of a game like tonight’s.
“There will be time for an equal and correct justice system to make its decision. At the moment it is still up for debate.”
Furious fans hurled eggs and smoke bombs at the Juventus team bus this morning as it arrived in Milan.
“Certain behaviour is unacceptable. These fans are not helping the team. A banner held up by three men does not represent the belief of 14 million fans.
“There are five finals that await us now, starting from this evening. This game must be a model of sporting justice and fair play on every level.
“If the two clubs step on to the field with this approach, perhaps we can ask the fans to have the same level of civility between them.”
Inter legends: 'Give back Scudetto!'
Legends Sandro Mazzola and Spillo Altobelli have called for Inter to hand back the contentious 2006 title awarded through Calciopoli.
Two Scudetti were stripped from Juventus, though while the 2004-05 edition was simply never reassigned, the 2005-06 shield was given to third-placed Inter.
Gianfelice Facchetti, the son of former Nerazzurri President Giacinto (pictured), has urged the club to hand back what is often called ‘The Cardboard Scudetto’ to silence calls for a revocation following the latest Calciopoli trial revelations.
“At the time I said that Scudetto was of no interest to me. If they hand it back, I’ll be more than happy,” agreed legend Mazzola.
“Let’s be honest, the Nerazzurri will carry on winning the Scudetto for a few years to come.
“We Interisti are proud of our history and will not allow it to be sullied by the slightest suspicion.”
Another former player, Alessandro ‘Spillo’ Altobelli, confirmed that the 2005-06 edition should simply not be assigned.
“The real Nerazzurri fans never felt like celebrating that Scudetto. Let’s not joke around. We don’t care about having it on our record, especially as we never won that League on the pitch.
“I say that Gianfelice Facchetti is right, we need to give it back. That way once and for all we won’t talk about it anymore.”
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Mazzola is still a moron I see then, must have been those old footballs messing with his brain. At least Altobelli gets it. You didn't win it on the pitch, Juventus did. Inter wouldn't be in the position to win anything but for Farsopoli, just the bridesmaids.
Legends Sandro Mazzola and Spillo Altobelli have called for Inter to hand back the contentious 2006 title awarded through Calciopoli.
Two Scudetti were stripped from Juventus, though while the 2004-05 edition was simply never reassigned, the 2005-06 shield was given to third-placed Inter.
Gianfelice Facchetti, the son of former Nerazzurri President Giacinto (pictured), has urged the club to hand back what is often called ‘The Cardboard Scudetto’ to silence calls for a revocation following the latest Calciopoli trial revelations.
“At the time I said that Scudetto was of no interest to me. If they hand it back, I’ll be more than happy,” agreed legend Mazzola.
“Let’s be honest, the Nerazzurri will carry on winning the Scudetto for a few years to come.
“We Interisti are proud of our history and will not allow it to be sullied by the slightest suspicion.”
Another former player, Alessandro ‘Spillo’ Altobelli, confirmed that the 2005-06 edition should simply not be assigned.
“The real Nerazzurri fans never felt like celebrating that Scudetto. Let’s not joke around. We don’t care about having it on our record, especially as we never won that League on the pitch.
“I say that Gianfelice Facchetti is right, we need to give it back. That way once and for all we won’t talk about it anymore.”
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Mazzola is still a moron I see then, must have been those old footballs messing with his brain. At least Altobelli gets it. You didn't win it on the pitch, Juventus did. Inter wouldn't be in the position to win anything but for Farsopoli, just the bridesmaids.
^ Exactly. It was only the scandal that gave them their current advantage; they'd still be fighting with the likes of Cagliari for 7th place if it hadn't been for Farsopoli, and would still be stuck on 13 Scudetti. The sad thing is that despite looting Juve for players they still couldn't do anything in Europe... as usual.
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As the evidence being wheeled into the Calciopoli trial at the Tribunal of Naples mounts, new questions have been raised as to why Roma captain Francesco Totti escaped a ban for insulting a referee a week before the Lupi took on Juventus during the 2004/05 season.
According to Il Corriere della Sera, one of the 75 calls sees designators Pierluigi Pairetto and Paolo Bergamo avoiding taking action against Totti after he swore at the referee during Roma's 1-1 draw with Palermo on October 24 2004.
Both Pairetto and Bergamo are alleged to have "had words" with the match official who had received abuse from Totti. It is alleged the referee was told not to mention the abuse in his match report, meaning Totti escaped a ban, and played against Juventus a week later, a game the Bianconeri won 2-0.
Moggi has accused the Juventus leadership of not doing enough to defend themselves during the original 2006 trial, claiming a stronger defence would have avoided relegation to Serie B.
Current president Jean-Claude Blanc has since responded, and he is taking a step back from all of the court room corridor swipes.
"Juventus are watching the situation and we need to give those responsible time to ensure a fair and equal justice for all, we have already been clear about this last week when we released the statement." he told the press on Friday.
Blanc was referring to a statement the club had released in relation to the on-going trial in Naples.
Meanwhile, one of Moggi's lawyers, Paolo Rodella, has said their interest is to defend the former director, not the club.
"We have asked the courts for the aquisition of these new wiretaps and we will get a response once the trial resumes on Tuesday," he told Tuttomercatoweb.com.
"Myself and two colleagues are only interested in our client Luciano Moggi's position. We are not interested in Juve's situation. We only want the best solution for our client."
Palermo have also been accused of calling referees, but president Maurizio Zamparini has blamed the whole Calciopoli affair on Moggi and Juventus. 'Zampa' has renewed his attack on the former Juve chief, despite the evidence against his own Rosanero.
"I have always been an opponent of Moggi's in the Lega, both Moggi and [Antonio] Giraudo," Zamparini told La Repubblica.
"I had warned the Agnellis back when they employed the duo. Moggi understands football, but he is not the example of sporting fairness. If he dragged Calcio into the mud then Juventus are also to blame."
Zamparini then defended his club in light of the new calls that have dragged them into the case.
"I had told [Rino] Foschi (former Palermo director) to make those calls. We wanted to protect ourselves," he concluded.
As the Lega Calcio meeting between club presidents and directors concluded Friday's Calciopoli pingball match, Milan, Parma, Napoli and Lazio all added their voices to the latest developments. It's important to note that both Parma and Napoli are not involved in the trial.
Leandro Cantamessa, Milan lawyer and advisor, insists the 2006 punishments would have been different had all the new calls been available at the time.
"A different scenario would have emerged with different consequences, but it's not for me to say this," said Cantamessa.
"In these instances it's best to remain quiet," said Lazio president Claudio Lotito.
"All these new things should be discussed in the appropriate place [court] and they will decide if these things are relevant to what has been happening," he concluded.
Parma president Tommaso Ghirardi has called for Italy's political leaders to get involved and put an end to the Calciopoli debate for good.
"I think the political world needs to examine all this and resolve it as soon as possible," said Ghirardi.
Aurelio De Laurentiis has gone a step further. He doesn't need political duck hunting to help him turn his back on a footballing country torn apart by the effects of Calciopoli.
"I am not in nor out as I am the least able to speak about Calciopoli. But, I do ask myself whether it is worth staying in this football environment," De Laurentiis concluded.
Zamperini is good for a laugh, but god, he's annoying. And the Totti thing, again, shows that there was no pro-Juve conspiracy, it seems it was more a pro-everybody conspiracy, if that's possible... According to Il Corriere della Sera, one of the 75 calls sees designators Pierluigi Pairetto and Paolo Bergamo avoiding taking action against Totti after he swore at the referee during Roma's 1-1 draw with Palermo on October 24 2004.
Both Pairetto and Bergamo are alleged to have "had words" with the match official who had received abuse from Totti. It is alleged the referee was told not to mention the abuse in his match report, meaning Totti escaped a ban, and played against Juventus a week later, a game the Bianconeri won 2-0.
Moggi has accused the Juventus leadership of not doing enough to defend themselves during the original 2006 trial, claiming a stronger defence would have avoided relegation to Serie B.
Current president Jean-Claude Blanc has since responded, and he is taking a step back from all of the court room corridor swipes.
"Juventus are watching the situation and we need to give those responsible time to ensure a fair and equal justice for all, we have already been clear about this last week when we released the statement." he told the press on Friday.
Blanc was referring to a statement the club had released in relation to the on-going trial in Naples.
Meanwhile, one of Moggi's lawyers, Paolo Rodella, has said their interest is to defend the former director, not the club.
"We have asked the courts for the aquisition of these new wiretaps and we will get a response once the trial resumes on Tuesday," he told Tuttomercatoweb.com.
"Myself and two colleagues are only interested in our client Luciano Moggi's position. We are not interested in Juve's situation. We only want the best solution for our client."
Palermo have also been accused of calling referees, but president Maurizio Zamparini has blamed the whole Calciopoli affair on Moggi and Juventus. 'Zampa' has renewed his attack on the former Juve chief, despite the evidence against his own Rosanero.
"I have always been an opponent of Moggi's in the Lega, both Moggi and [Antonio] Giraudo," Zamparini told La Repubblica.
"I had warned the Agnellis back when they employed the duo. Moggi understands football, but he is not the example of sporting fairness. If he dragged Calcio into the mud then Juventus are also to blame."
Zamparini then defended his club in light of the new calls that have dragged them into the case.
"I had told [Rino] Foschi (former Palermo director) to make those calls. We wanted to protect ourselves," he concluded.
As the Lega Calcio meeting between club presidents and directors concluded Friday's Calciopoli pingball match, Milan, Parma, Napoli and Lazio all added their voices to the latest developments. It's important to note that both Parma and Napoli are not involved in the trial.
Leandro Cantamessa, Milan lawyer and advisor, insists the 2006 punishments would have been different had all the new calls been available at the time.
"A different scenario would have emerged with different consequences, but it's not for me to say this," said Cantamessa.
"In these instances it's best to remain quiet," said Lazio president Claudio Lotito.
"All these new things should be discussed in the appropriate place [court] and they will decide if these things are relevant to what has been happening," he concluded.
Parma president Tommaso Ghirardi has called for Italy's political leaders to get involved and put an end to the Calciopoli debate for good.
"I think the political world needs to examine all this and resolve it as soon as possible," said Ghirardi.
Aurelio De Laurentiis has gone a step further. He doesn't need political duck hunting to help him turn his back on a footballing country torn apart by the effects of Calciopoli.
"I am not in nor out as I am the least able to speak about Calciopoli. But, I do ask myself whether it is worth staying in this football environment," De Laurentiis concluded.
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Moggi: 'I will be cleared'
Saturday 17 April, 2010
Luciano Moggi says he will not stop his Calciopoli legal battle “until it is declared that I did nothing wrong.”
The former Juventus director general was named as the puppet master in an organised system to influence referees in 2006, which saw the club stripped of two titles and demoted to Serie B.
However, he is seeking to prove with new evidence in a civil trial that many other sides also spoke regularly to refereeing designators.
“There are no guilty parties here,” insisted Moggi on Radio 1 this afternoon. “It's just people doing their work and trying to look after the interests of their clubs.
“There was no Juventus system. All this will end when it is declared that Moggi has done nothing wrong.”
The basis of his legal defence is a series of wiretapped telephone conversations from the Calciopoli era, many of them involving former Inter President Giacinto Facchetti.
“They say that we cannot talk about these things because Facchetti died. No, we have to talk about it!
“I did not say that Facchetti committed any crime. It was too easy at the time to say that some people were 'evil,' when the truth is that nobody was evil.
“I am the first person to say that Facchetti and other directors did their jobs, but no different to Moggi or Antonio Giraudo.
“The truth of the matter is to prove there was no 'system' run by the Juventus Triade.”
Saturday 17 April, 2010
Luciano Moggi says he will not stop his Calciopoli legal battle “until it is declared that I did nothing wrong.”
The former Juventus director general was named as the puppet master in an organised system to influence referees in 2006, which saw the club stripped of two titles and demoted to Serie B.
However, he is seeking to prove with new evidence in a civil trial that many other sides also spoke regularly to refereeing designators.
“There are no guilty parties here,” insisted Moggi on Radio 1 this afternoon. “It's just people doing their work and trying to look after the interests of their clubs.
“There was no Juventus system. All this will end when it is declared that Moggi has done nothing wrong.”
The basis of his legal defence is a series of wiretapped telephone conversations from the Calciopoli era, many of them involving former Inter President Giacinto Facchetti.
“They say that we cannot talk about these things because Facchetti died. No, we have to talk about it!
“I did not say that Facchetti committed any crime. It was too easy at the time to say that some people were 'evil,' when the truth is that nobody was evil.
“I am the first person to say that Facchetti and other directors did their jobs, but no different to Moggi or Antonio Giraudo.
“The truth of the matter is to prove there was no 'system' run by the Juventus Triade.”
I'm worried about a whitewash now really, Inter are so ingrained in the calcio system and they just have so much to lose in terms of image and success, the same as Juventus. The 'winner' writes history after all, I'm afraid there might be a situation where it is still pinned down as a Moggi/Juventus system and no one outside of Italy will be any the wiser, they will just give us the stupid cheat tag. I've just become less and less attracted to calcio by the day, it is a disgusting world.
surely a Pro-everybody conspiricy means that no wrong was done as such and we just had easily swayed or incompetent refs and really the network of calls etc was pointless? pretty much like the EPL?
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Apr 17 2010, 05:51 PM)
I'm worried about a whitewash now really, Inter are so ingrained in the calcio system and they just have so much to lose in terms of image and success, the same as Juventus. The 'winner' writes history after all, I'm afraid there might be a situation where it is still pinned down as a Moggi/Juventus system and no one outside of Italy will be any the wiser, they will just give us the stupid cheat tag. I'm just become less and less attracted to calcio by the day, it is a disgusting world.
Moggi's current stance stinks of duress. Moratti has called in favors apparently.
QUOTE(Milanello @ Apr 17 2010, 07:08 PM)
surely a Pro-everybody conspiricy means that no wrong was done as such and we just had easily swayed or incompetent refs and really the network of calls etc was pointless? pretty much like the EPL?
Yes, pretty much. I know that PL bosses speak to people in a similar role in England, I know that people like Ferguson speak to Keith Hackett because he acts as a liaison as well as ref chief, what goes on in all calls would make interesting reading I'm sure, and put into the 'match-fixing' context in Italy they would sound suspicious as well. As if all the big clubs around Europe and the world don't have officials trying to do the same thing. The only different here is that Italy is so murky and one club - Inter - have been phone tapping people and even their own players through their associates Telecom Italia. TIM sponsor the league, nothing is going to happen to Inter. Moggi has an awful lot of enemies, some powerful ones as well, so it was very easy to manipulate the shoddy sporting trial to make him look like a ringleader, just make sure the presecutors and police ignore the other evidence. Prosecutor Narducci told us in 2006 that there were no calls involving Inter, Roma etc, but he knew there were. Police chief 'I don't remember' Auricchio was given all of this information, all the intercepted calls, but said he was only interested in the ones involving Moggi, his system and the 'counter system' at Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio. Auricchio also has a criminal record from the 90s in Rome for evidence tampering. Sorry, WHAT? If it wasn't so damn serious I would laugh, it is a DISGRACE that the other calls were not deemed relevant.
When you are talking about his strongest opponents - Sensi, Moratti, Zamparini and other smaller presidents, it's a lot to take on. It made me laugh how a week or so ago Zamparini wanted us to put Calciopoli in the past and forget about, it turns out later that his director Foschi was on the phone to designators and even referees, a worse crime than Moggi under league rules!
So now he says that it isn't comparable because it was a Moggi system, it all comes down to this every time. We are supposed to believe that this one man, a lawyer turned director general is more powerful than multi-billionaire business owners with associates in every corner of Italian football, business and society, organised crime, a guy who some call the 'capo di tutti capi', Moggi controlling it all. We found out in 2006 that this wasn't the case as they removed him, something equally murky board members at Juventus were going to do anyway. We have now found out 4 years later what was really going on.The problem with all 'all innocent' line is that the FIGC would have an awful lot to answer for after 2006, they would be taken to the cleaners by clubs. But then if they found that Inter and others were also guilty it puts them in an equally awkward position, having to reassign titles, probably leaving several open, more image lost by the league as well as strength of teams, loss of sponsorships. They are between a rock and a hard place.
QUOTE(Mr. Heavyfoot @ Apr 17 2010, 07:36 PM)
Moggi's current stance stinks of duress. Moratti has called in favors apparently.
It's funny, because it is a line used by pretty much everybody involved. I'm now hearing about CD's of Moggi's lawyers and phonetaps going missing (surely there are backups of course), it is a very murky world. I notice a couple of foreign SIM card calls to designators from Moggi have turned up in the last few days, somehow, it's pretty much the same stuff as we heard in 2006.
I don't think there is much chance at all of any real 'justice' being served, but there is a possibility that the club could take legal action.
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As expectation grows ahead of next Tuesday's Calciopoli hearing at the Tribunal of Naples, new allegations which centre around Luciano Moggi and Swiss sim cards have come to light, according to La Gazzetta Dello Sport.
Attorneys Giuseppe Narducci and Sefano Capuano are now trying to investigate an incident in which Moggi is alleged to have spoken to referees, as well as the then designator Paolo Bergamo.
In one call believed to have taken place in November 2004, Moggi speaks with Bergamo in which both men are alleged to have swapped Swiss phone numbers and other details.
Gazzetta have published a transcript which they claim is from a call between Moggi and an un-named referee.
Moggi: Hey how are you? Maybe they are scared to send you out for a game on Sunday because you said you feel ill, but you have to give them reassurances.
Moggi then calls Bergamo and complains about referee Morganti.
Moggi: Morganti needs to stay at home after the disaster he caused. He doesn't understand how things work.
As Moggi speaks on the phone, another mobile phone allegedly rings and he is intercepted speaking with a referee.
Narducci and Capuano are now expected to look into these allegations further and they will asks Moggi and his defence team to supply more information during the court hearing.
Moggi has since responded to the alleged calls to referees.
"When people say I spoke to referees, why don't they find the calls and prove it. I did not speak with referees," Moggi told Ventura Football show.
"Everything will end when people say Moggi did not do anything. No-one is guilty here. People just worked in the interests of their own clubs.
"There was no Juventus system, it was a way everyone used to communicate."
Moggi insists his mission is not to throw scorn at other clubs and accuse them of wrong doing, but merely to show that lots of people called the designators.
"I am the first to say that [Giacinto] Facchetti (then of Inter) and other directors did not do things that were out of place, but neither did Moggi nor [Antonio] Giraudo," he added.
"We want to show that there was no system involving Moggi, [Roberto] Bettega and Giraudo."
Meanwhile, Moggi's Lawyer Maurilio Prioreschi has said there will be more evidence at the next hearing.
"Our work so far has been partial. There is more to come and we are looking for other transcripts."
Inter president Massimo Moratti has been keeping a close eye on developments. He seems tranquil regarding the ongoing trial.
Reports suggested Inter could lose the 2006 Scudetto if the Italian FA proceeds with its own investigation into the calls emerging at the trial.
But, Moratti insists he is not afraid if their Scudetto is revoked.
"Scared that they will take the 2006 title away from us? Not at all," said the Nerazzurri chief.
Gazzetta trying to drag up the long-discredited SIM card theory again...
Attorneys Giuseppe Narducci and Sefano Capuano are now trying to investigate an incident in which Moggi is alleged to have spoken to referees, as well as the then designator Paolo Bergamo.
In one call believed to have taken place in November 2004, Moggi speaks with Bergamo in which both men are alleged to have swapped Swiss phone numbers and other details.
Gazzetta have published a transcript which they claim is from a call between Moggi and an un-named referee.
Moggi: Hey how are you? Maybe they are scared to send you out for a game on Sunday because you said you feel ill, but you have to give them reassurances.
Moggi then calls Bergamo and complains about referee Morganti.
Moggi: Morganti needs to stay at home after the disaster he caused. He doesn't understand how things work.
As Moggi speaks on the phone, another mobile phone allegedly rings and he is intercepted speaking with a referee.
Narducci and Capuano are now expected to look into these allegations further and they will asks Moggi and his defence team to supply more information during the court hearing.
Moggi has since responded to the alleged calls to referees.
"When people say I spoke to referees, why don't they find the calls and prove it. I did not speak with referees," Moggi told Ventura Football show.
"Everything will end when people say Moggi did not do anything. No-one is guilty here. People just worked in the interests of their own clubs.
"There was no Juventus system, it was a way everyone used to communicate."
Moggi insists his mission is not to throw scorn at other clubs and accuse them of wrong doing, but merely to show that lots of people called the designators.
"I am the first to say that [Giacinto] Facchetti (then of Inter) and other directors did not do things that were out of place, but neither did Moggi nor [Antonio] Giraudo," he added.
"We want to show that there was no system involving Moggi, [Roberto] Bettega and Giraudo."
Meanwhile, Moggi's Lawyer Maurilio Prioreschi has said there will be more evidence at the next hearing.
"Our work so far has been partial. There is more to come and we are looking for other transcripts."
Inter president Massimo Moratti has been keeping a close eye on developments. He seems tranquil regarding the ongoing trial.
Reports suggested Inter could lose the 2006 Scudetto if the Italian FA proceeds with its own investigation into the calls emerging at the trial.
But, Moratti insists he is not afraid if their Scudetto is revoked.
"Scared that they will take the 2006 title away from us? Not at all," said the Nerazzurri chief.
Apparently these have already been used in the prosecution before, nothing new.
Calciopoli Watch: Two New Clubs Allegedly Called Designators, Court To Question Moggi Over Sim Card Affair & Make Decision On 75 Calls
On Tuesday the sixth hearing into the Calciopoli trial will take place in the Tribunal of Naples where it is expected Judge Teresa Casoria and attorneys Giuseppe Narducci and Stefano Capuano will make a decision over the telephone call transcripts that were presented to them during last week's hearing.
Back then Luciano Moggi's legal team showed the court evidence of phone calls which allege that the then Inter president Giacinto Facchetti spoke with referee designators. Other calls came to light in which Palermo, Roma, Bologna, Cagliari and Udinese are all accused of having spoken with designators too.
The FIGC will be keen to hear what steps Casoria will take. Last week she accepted Moggi's evidence at the hearing. Tomorrow a decision will be taken as to whether the evidence is admissible.
The Italian FA could open their own investigation into the 2006 sporting process depending on Casoria's decision. Narducci and Capuano are also expected to question Moggi over the Sim Card affair. They feel the cards were used to speak with referees and designators, though Moggi has always insisted they were solely for transfer market business.
Should Casoria make an official decision to acquire further information on the 75 calls, it will take around 30 days to have them transcripted. At the trial, Moggi has been accused of Association to Defraud.
Moggi has maintained his innocence and he has said he never spoke with referees, though he will be examined on this during tomorrow's hearing.
"The mother of all interceptions was the one that massacred me for two years, the one where I was accused of indicating five referees, but I never did," he told Controcampo.
"It was all a game, but a game that was never revealed because I had said to put referee Tombolini, instead there was referee Rodomonti.
"And, I remember that before the Inter - Juve match, Facchetti had called Bergamo to ask for Collina.
"As for the Swiss Sim Cards, they were for the transfer market."
After last week's hearing, 11 clubs were all accused of speaking to designators. Those 11 are Juventus, Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina, and Reggina who were all punished from the sporting trial in 2006, and the new clubs that emerged from Moggi's evidence. Inter, Palermo, Roma, Bologna, Cagliari and Udinese.
However, two more clubs are alleged to have been in contact with referee chiefs at the time. They are Livorno and Chievo.
Tuttosport have published extracts of calls involving Livorno president Aldo Spinelli and Paolo Bergamo, and Chievo chief Luca Campedelli and Pier Luigi Pairetto.
Spinelli: Are you in Livorno?
Bergamo: Yes. I am in Livorno.
Spinelli: Can I see you for five minutes?
Bergamo: Yes, but when and where?
Spinelli: No, I will be there in 30 minutes. Are you in office?
Bergamo: I am in office for about an hour. When will you be here?
Spinelli: Ok I will come to you. 12 ok?
Bergamo: Yeah sure.
In another call, Chievo's Campedelli moans about a referee and asks Pairetto not to send those who lack experience.
Campedelli: I had hoped you'd call me... never mind.
Pairetto: Sorry, I changed phone and lost some numbers.
Campedelli: It's not possible that for such a delicate game someone like [referee] Rocchi arrives. He completely lost his head.
Pairetto explains that he had made a grid of referees that included Collina and Rosetti, but Campedelli is still annoyed.
Campedelli: Look, sorry, but here it's about who shouts the most. De Luca talks, Della Valle talks and Cellino talks.
On Tuesday the sixth hearing into the Calciopoli trial will take place in the Tribunal of Naples where it is expected Judge Teresa Casoria and attorneys Giuseppe Narducci and Stefano Capuano will make a decision over the telephone call transcripts that were presented to them during last week's hearing.
Back then Luciano Moggi's legal team showed the court evidence of phone calls which allege that the then Inter president Giacinto Facchetti spoke with referee designators. Other calls came to light in which Palermo, Roma, Bologna, Cagliari and Udinese are all accused of having spoken with designators too.
The FIGC will be keen to hear what steps Casoria will take. Last week she accepted Moggi's evidence at the hearing. Tomorrow a decision will be taken as to whether the evidence is admissible.
The Italian FA could open their own investigation into the 2006 sporting process depending on Casoria's decision. Narducci and Capuano are also expected to question Moggi over the Sim Card affair. They feel the cards were used to speak with referees and designators, though Moggi has always insisted they were solely for transfer market business.
Should Casoria make an official decision to acquire further information on the 75 calls, it will take around 30 days to have them transcripted. At the trial, Moggi has been accused of Association to Defraud.
Moggi has maintained his innocence and he has said he never spoke with referees, though he will be examined on this during tomorrow's hearing.
"The mother of all interceptions was the one that massacred me for two years, the one where I was accused of indicating five referees, but I never did," he told Controcampo.
"It was all a game, but a game that was never revealed because I had said to put referee Tombolini, instead there was referee Rodomonti.
"And, I remember that before the Inter - Juve match, Facchetti had called Bergamo to ask for Collina.
"As for the Swiss Sim Cards, they were for the transfer market."
After last week's hearing, 11 clubs were all accused of speaking to designators. Those 11 are Juventus, Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina, and Reggina who were all punished from the sporting trial in 2006, and the new clubs that emerged from Moggi's evidence. Inter, Palermo, Roma, Bologna, Cagliari and Udinese.
However, two more clubs are alleged to have been in contact with referee chiefs at the time. They are Livorno and Chievo.
Tuttosport have published extracts of calls involving Livorno president Aldo Spinelli and Paolo Bergamo, and Chievo chief Luca Campedelli and Pier Luigi Pairetto.
Spinelli: Are you in Livorno?
Bergamo: Yes. I am in Livorno.
Spinelli: Can I see you for five minutes?
Bergamo: Yes, but when and where?
Spinelli: No, I will be there in 30 minutes. Are you in office?
Bergamo: I am in office for about an hour. When will you be here?
Spinelli: Ok I will come to you. 12 ok?
Bergamo: Yeah sure.
In another call, Chievo's Campedelli moans about a referee and asks Pairetto not to send those who lack experience.
Campedelli: I had hoped you'd call me... never mind.
Pairetto: Sorry, I changed phone and lost some numbers.
Campedelli: It's not possible that for such a delicate game someone like [referee] Rocchi arrives. He completely lost his head.
Pairetto explains that he had made a grid of referees that included Collina and Rosetti, but Campedelli is still annoyed.
Campedelli: Look, sorry, but here it's about who shouts the most. De Luca talks, Della Valle talks and Cellino talks.
So that makes 13 of the (I think) 18 Serie A clubs at the time. Yep, sure looks like a Moggi system to me...
It went pretty good today, Nucini was destroyed by Moggi's team, they made him look stupid, he was very angry.
Tomorrow should be interesting.
Tomorrow should be interesting.
Nucini? Who's that again? I can't keep track of all these names... lol
Chievo in on the act as well it seems:
Chievo in on the act as well it seems:
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Campedelli: I had hoped you'd call me... never mind.
Pairetto: Sorry, I changed phone and lost some numbers.
Campedelli: It's not possible that for such a delicate game someone like [referee] Rocchi arrives. He completely lost his head.
Pairetto explains that he had made a grid of referees that included Collina and Rosetti, but Campedelli is still annoyed.
Campedelli: Look, sorry, but here it's about who shouts the most. De Luca talks, Della Valle talks and Cellino talks.
Pairetto: Sorry, I changed phone and lost some numbers.
Campedelli: It's not possible that for such a delicate game someone like [referee] Rocchi arrives. He completely lost his head.
Pairetto explains that he had made a grid of referees that included Collina and Rosetti, but Campedelli is still annoyed.
Campedelli: Look, sorry, but here it's about who shouts the most. De Luca talks, Della Valle talks and Cellino talks.
Danilo Nucini, the ex-referee. He was one of the very strong 'pro-Juve' men, a lot of his testimony went towards the appearance of a Moggi system, he told the prosecutor Giuseppe Narducci about all this, how Inter directors and others didn't speak to designators. His was a strong testimony, now it has become clearer that this was not true, there have also been links to Inter through this guy, having spoken to Facchetti
A few of the major players here for others who are trying to follow
Luciano Moggi, ex-Juventus director general
Antonio Giraudo, ex-Juventus chief-executive
Giacino Facchetti, Inter president 2004-2006
Massimo Moratti, Inter and Pirelli owner - Marco Tronchetti Provera, Pirelli and Telecom Italia president
Danilo Nucini, ex-referee who testified against Moggi
Giuseppe Narducci, 2006 sporting trial prosecutor and Naples trial attorney
Filippo Beatrice, Naples trial public minister and attorney
Police colonel Attilio Auricchio, who handled evidence and testimony
Massimo Cellino, Cagliari president
Massimo De Santis, ex-referee, supposedly part of the Moggi system
Leonardo Meani, AC Milan referee liaison
Adriano Galliani, AC Milan vice-president
Paolo Bergamo, ex-referee designator
Pierluigi Pairetto, ex-referee designator
Franco Carraro, ex-FIGC (Italian Football Federation) president
Pierluigi Collina, ex-referee and current referee designator
Teresa Casoria, Naples trial judge
Rino Foschi, Palermo director
Daniele Pradè, Roma director
Innocenzo Mazzini, ex-FIGC vice-president
Stefano Palazzi, FIGC chief magistrate
Lillo Foti, Reggina president
Luca Campedelli, Chievo president
Aldo Spinelli, Livorno president
Guido Rossi, ex-Inter shareholder, FIGC president and FIAT consultant
John Elkann, chairman of Exor (IFIL), parent company of Juventus
Paolo Trofino, Moggi lawyer
Giancarlo Abete, FIGC president
Maurilio Prioreschi, Moggi lawyer
Luciano Moggi, ex-Juventus director general
Antonio Giraudo, ex-Juventus chief-executive
Giacino Facchetti, Inter president 2004-2006
Massimo Moratti, Inter and Pirelli owner - Marco Tronchetti Provera, Pirelli and Telecom Italia president
Danilo Nucini, ex-referee who testified against Moggi
Giuseppe Narducci, 2006 sporting trial prosecutor and Naples trial attorney
Filippo Beatrice, Naples trial public minister and attorney
Police colonel Attilio Auricchio, who handled evidence and testimony
Massimo Cellino, Cagliari president
Massimo De Santis, ex-referee, supposedly part of the Moggi system
Leonardo Meani, AC Milan referee liaison
Adriano Galliani, AC Milan vice-president
Paolo Bergamo, ex-referee designator
Pierluigi Pairetto, ex-referee designator
Franco Carraro, ex-FIGC (Italian Football Federation) president
Pierluigi Collina, ex-referee and current referee designator
Teresa Casoria, Naples trial judge
Rino Foschi, Palermo director
Daniele Pradè, Roma director
Innocenzo Mazzini, ex-FIGC vice-president
Stefano Palazzi, FIGC chief magistrate
Lillo Foti, Reggina president
Luca Campedelli, Chievo president
Aldo Spinelli, Livorno president
Guido Rossi, ex-Inter shareholder, FIGC president and FIAT consultant
John Elkann, chairman of Exor (IFIL), parent company of Juventus
Paolo Trofino, Moggi lawyer
Giancarlo Abete, FIGC president
Maurilio Prioreschi, Moggi lawyer
what a tangled web this is
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Apr 20 2010, 09:55 AM)
Leonardo Meani, AC Milan referee liaison
I remember him at the time, coming out with something to the effect of 'We're all doing it, it's in the culture'
10:20 AM BST The hearing started, but was brief as the judge adjourned proceedings until next Tuesday April 27 to hear Chelsea coach Carlo Ancelotti. The flying restrictions across Europe because of the ash cloud have prevented the Italian and others from attending the hearing.
But, Massimo de Santis, a former referee did make a brief statement in the court.
During his statement he alleged that other referees made calls with club directors, and he claims he was being secretly tracked by Telecom security.
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More waiting, thanks to the volcano....
But, Massimo de Santis, a former referee did make a brief statement in the court.
During his statement he alleged that other referees made calls with club directors, and he claims he was being secretly tracked by Telecom security.
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More waiting, thanks to the volcano....
A few things coming up on Italian forums:
Bergamo said Nicola La Torre (?) told him Montezemolo (Ferrari/FIAT) wanted to oust Moggi and Giraudo (no surprises here at all).
One guy saying the volcano has done more for Inter than Quaresma:
The prosecution are calling to testify against Moggi again lol. It's all pretty funny, the prosecution against Moggi is being picked apart, also Zamparini wants to testify which should be funny. Ancelotti and Mancini will speak next week.
It should be interesting, as Sig. 'Juve fan' Mancini had a lot of interesting things to say about Moggi and Juventus, how he, Rosetti (referee, not under any suspicion whatsoever and one of the leading refs in Europe) and his 'friends in Turin' would pay one day.
I've just been looking at Ancelotti's 2006 testimony:
Credit: Angelus
Bergamo said Nicola La Torre (?) told him Montezemolo (Ferrari/FIAT) wanted to oust Moggi and Giraudo (no surprises here at all).
One guy saying the volcano has done more for Inter than Quaresma:
The prosecution are calling to testify against Moggi again lol. It's all pretty funny, the prosecution against Moggi is being picked apart, also Zamparini wants to testify which should be funny. Ancelotti and Mancini will speak next week.
It should be interesting, as Sig. 'Juve fan' Mancini had a lot of interesting things to say about Moggi and Juventus, how he, Rosetti (referee, not under any suspicion whatsoever and one of the leading refs in Europe) and his 'friends in Turin' would pay one day.
I've just been looking at Ancelotti's 2006 testimony:
Credit: Angelus
Briatore: "Inter do not deserve the 2006 Scudetto"
ROME, April 20 - Luciano Moggi is a "victim" of Italian football and Inter would do well to return the 2006 championship won by Juventus on the field. Flavio Briatore in an interview with weekly magazine "Chi", on news stands tomorrow, defending the former Juventus general manager. "Inter should return the 2006 Scudetto - he adds in an exclusive, present with his son Falco Nathan and his wife Elisabetta Gregoraci -, but how do you celebrate something that was not won on the field? I never ever would have accepted the title of another winner. I'm not ashamed to say that Luciano Moggi, in this case, may be a victim. Accusing him of having spoken to the referees? All right. But others, what did they do? The same thing. Investigations that to me do not make sense, based on nothing. There is no extortion of money or even revelations. Where are the crimes?"
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Briatore is a Juventino of course, but that might rile a few people
ROME, April 20 - Luciano Moggi is a "victim" of Italian football and Inter would do well to return the 2006 championship won by Juventus on the field. Flavio Briatore in an interview with weekly magazine "Chi", on news stands tomorrow, defending the former Juventus general manager. "Inter should return the 2006 Scudetto - he adds in an exclusive, present with his son Falco Nathan and his wife Elisabetta Gregoraci -, but how do you celebrate something that was not won on the field? I never ever would have accepted the title of another winner. I'm not ashamed to say that Luciano Moggi, in this case, may be a victim. Accusing him of having spoken to the referees? All right. But others, what did they do? The same thing. Investigations that to me do not make sense, based on nothing. There is no extortion of money or even revelations. Where are the crimes?"
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Briatore is a Juventino of course, but that might rile a few people
Goddamn volcano... ugh.
And Zamperini in a court of law... now THAT should be interesting.
And is it just me, or does Lillo Foti look about as stereotypical Calabrese as it's possible to get?
And Zamperini in a court of law... now THAT should be interesting.
And is it just me, or does Lillo Foti look about as stereotypical Calabrese as it's possible to get?
The FIGC have opened their official Calciopoli inquest. Or 're-opened' I should say.
http://www.figc.it/it/204/24290/2010/04/News.shtml
http://www.figc.it/it/204/24290/2010/04/News.shtml
The Federal Prosecutor opens an investigation on new wiretaps in Naples
In the process underway in Naples, federal prosecutors will ask for time to acquire all the evidence produced by the parties, the subject expertise which can be ordered by the Court. In the next few hours, the prosecutor Stefano Palazzi will send a formal request to that effect to the President of the Ninth Criminal Chamber of the Court of Naples, Teresa Casoria, thus starting the investigation with reference to the new line of interceptions.
In the process underway in Naples, federal prosecutors will ask for time to acquire all the evidence produced by the parties, the subject expertise which can be ordered by the Court. In the next few hours, the prosecutor Stefano Palazzi will send a formal request to that effect to the President of the Ninth Criminal Chamber of the Court of Naples, Teresa Casoria, thus starting the investigation with reference to the new line of interceptions.
Good news, obviously, but this shouldn't have taken four years... why does the legal system in Italy have to be so damn SLOW?
Let me quote two friends of mine on the differences between an FIGC hearing as opposed to an Italian criminal court:
1) Of course in a criminal trial there has to be some 'beyond any doubt' proof in order to be judged guilty, whereas a sports one can even rely on mere suspects and minor violations to various regulations. Lets not forget that the sports tribunal found Juve guilty of violating the FIGC regulations, whilst now Moggi is in tribunal for criminal offences. In other words, Moggi might be cleared from criminal offences but Juve would still be guilty in the eyes of the FIGC for violating its regulations.
2) There is also the advantage of excluding evidence that may be perfectly admissible before an administrative body (FIGC) but not in a criminal court. As far as perjury is concerned, it depends on the the reach of the statute. For example, most state courts in the US require the perjury to be in court or in a quasi judicial proceeding. If a person lies in a deposition it is not perjury even though that person has taken an oath to tell the truth. In Federal court, if one lies in a depostion, it is considered perjury.
1) Of course in a criminal trial there has to be some 'beyond any doubt' proof in order to be judged guilty, whereas a sports one can even rely on mere suspects and minor violations to various regulations. Lets not forget that the sports tribunal found Juve guilty of violating the FIGC regulations, whilst now Moggi is in tribunal for criminal offences. In other words, Moggi might be cleared from criminal offences but Juve would still be guilty in the eyes of the FIGC for violating its regulations.
2) There is also the advantage of excluding evidence that may be perfectly admissible before an administrative body (FIGC) but not in a criminal court. As far as perjury is concerned, it depends on the the reach of the statute. For example, most state courts in the US require the perjury to be in court or in a quasi judicial proceeding. If a person lies in a deposition it is not perjury even though that person has taken an oath to tell the truth. In Federal court, if one lies in a depostion, it is considered perjury.
Galliani lied on oath about having no knowledge of Meani speaking to designators, so the perjury situation should be interesting.
The first instance is exactly why it is important that the FIGC have reopened their investigation. It shouldn't be tied to the criminal court. As far as the FIGC sporting trial was concerned, the only example of a team actually 'match fixing' was AC Milan in their game with Udinese. We have all heard the call, Meani saying how they will go easy, so Udinese will be ok and Milan can get Jankulovski from the bianconeri.
The first instance is exactly why it is important that the FIGC have reopened their investigation. It shouldn't be tied to the criminal court. As far as the FIGC sporting trial was concerned, the only example of a team actually 'match fixing' was AC Milan in their game with Udinese. We have all heard the call, Meani saying how they will go easy, so Udinese will be ok and Milan can get Jankulovski from the bianconeri.
Looks like they should call journalist Tosatti after this call with Moggi came out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2QeNlgiGak...layer_embedded#!
Also a line where Moggi calls De Santis a son of a bitch (De Santis part of the Moggi 'cupola') for suspending 'half of the team' for games lost, Parma and Palermo. Tosatti asks how it is allowed to happen, Moggi says that he has been left alone to fight everyone else.
It paints a very, very different picture to the one fabricated in 2006. Victim Moggi? Maybe.
Fuck Elkann and Montezemolo!!!!!
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Tosatti: "Everybody is against you, even in Turin...you should leave...Carraro hates you, what did you do to them?"
Also a line where Moggi calls De Santis a son of a bitch (De Santis part of the Moggi 'cupola'
) for suspending 'half of the team' for games lost, Parma and Palermo. Tosatti asks how it is allowed to happen, Moggi says that he has been left alone to fight everyone else.It paints a very, very different picture to the one fabricated in 2006. Victim Moggi? Maybe.
Fuck Elkann and Montezemolo!!!!!
That call was taken after Juventus lost 0-1 at home to Inter - ref: De Santis.
Again... no shock there.
www.football-italia.net
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'Calciopoli wanted one result'
Saturday 24 April, 2010
Ex-refereeing designator Paolo Bergamo claims “Calciopoli investigators didn’t want to believe me. They wanted only one result.”
The FIGC has re-opened the investigation after new evidence of wiretapped telephone conversations with other club directors emerged during Luciano Moggi’s (pictured) trial.
“I never denied that I spoke to Moggi about the referees to be assigned, but in any case I had to discuss that with both co-designator Pierluigi Pairetto and all the other directors, who I usually talked to about these matters,” revealed Bergamo in Tuttosport.
“Everyone behaved fairly, but this dividing up of the referees that were going to be assigned was hardly a secret. Anyone involved in football could easily figure it out.”
Moggi is providing the new evidence in his trial, including calls that were never transcribed, let alone included as evidence in the original 2006 inquest.
“Alright, I made the mistake of making phone calls that were too friendly, but Calciopoli only went that way because they didn’t want to believe me,” continued Bergamo.
“They were in such a hurry that they wanted to lock UEFA out and wanted only one result.
“They checked all my accounts, including those of my family, and found nothing. Everyone knew that year I would’ve resigned anyway to join FIFA.”
Saturday 24 April, 2010
Ex-refereeing designator Paolo Bergamo claims “Calciopoli investigators didn’t want to believe me. They wanted only one result.”
The FIGC has re-opened the investigation after new evidence of wiretapped telephone conversations with other club directors emerged during Luciano Moggi’s (pictured) trial.
“I never denied that I spoke to Moggi about the referees to be assigned, but in any case I had to discuss that with both co-designator Pierluigi Pairetto and all the other directors, who I usually talked to about these matters,” revealed Bergamo in Tuttosport.
“Everyone behaved fairly, but this dividing up of the referees that were going to be assigned was hardly a secret. Anyone involved in football could easily figure it out.”
Moggi is providing the new evidence in his trial, including calls that were never transcribed, let alone included as evidence in the original 2006 inquest.
“Alright, I made the mistake of making phone calls that were too friendly, but Calciopoli only went that way because they didn’t want to believe me,” continued Bergamo.
“They were in such a hurry that they wanted to lock UEFA out and wanted only one result.
“They checked all my accounts, including those of my family, and found nothing. Everyone knew that year I would’ve resigned anyway to join FIFA.”
From J1897: A Letter to the FIGC, Juventus, and all Juventus fans
By: alessio | April 24th, 2010
This correspondence is directed at Juventus SpA, the FIGC and all Juventus fans.
http://www.j1897network.com/forum/index.ph...le-t263132.html
WE WANT JUSTICE!
Only four years have passed but for us fans it seems like many more. From 2006 to the present day we have absorbed too many humiliations, now it is time to seriously raise our voices.
The intercepted phone calls that have emerged recently from lawyers Prioreschi and Trofino in the Neapolitan Civil Court demonstrated one simple thing: those who four years ago professed immaculate honesty and walked the streets wearing the white veil of virginity with the “Scudetto of Embarrassment” stitched on top, made calls that were far worse than anything heard in 2006.
* Never was Moggi overheard asking for two linesmen from designator Mazzei let alone obtaining them.
* Never was Moggi overheard suggesting a new method to assign referees (and request to discontinue the random draw), inserting referees outside of the grid process to increase the probability of obtaining a desired referee.
* Never was Moggi found conversing with referees on the phone, excluding the call Paparesta made to Moggi after he officiated the Reggina-Juventus match which Moggi terminated with seconds claiming he had nothing to say to him.
* Never was Moggi heard requesting and being granted a referee for a Coppa Italia match (remember that Coppa matches did not adhere to a random draw process but rather straight assigning of referees).
Juventus fans are not stupid. It is clear as day that there were no fixed games in the “incriminated seasons” on behalf of Juventus, Inter, Milan, or any other club (this sentiment is further shared by the very judges who stated as much in the verdicts they wrote in July of 2006).
The only evident “system” was one that the FIGC itself created and promoted whereby team directors were invited and encouraged to maintain dialogue with referee designators for the purposes of communicating feedback be it satisfaction or criticism, there was certainly no mafia style organism governed by two men, who have now suffer consequences alone while all others continue to walk freely proclaiming their innocence.
It appears as though there are but two possible outcomes:
* It is determined that all are innocent: in such a case we demand that the FIGC reassign the 28th and 29th league titles to Juventus, a public apology for the damage that has been caused to the Juventus name along with a demand to Juventus SpA for an economic restitution by the FIGC for the financial losses incurred by the federation’s decisions. These are the MINIMUM acceptable actions that the team’s directors could carry out to finally demonstrate respect towards its fans that have remained loyal even in Serie B.
* It is determined that all are guilty: in such a case we demand that the FIGC open a new investigation in their Sporting Tribunal to analyze the new intercepted calls and that the same rules applied four years ago be applied again. This could only be realized by the relegation of certain”honest” teams.
The behavior was the same for all team directors, therefore we ask for only fair and equal treatment for all. Other solutions will not be tolerated from the Juventino population; do not think that revoking the 2006 title from Inter will be sufficient to pacify the country’s biggest fan base and burry the hatchet. We want a trial, we want the truth. The time of half truths and power games has come to an end.
Since all our prior requests for clarity regarding this case have fallen on deaf ears, now we are obligated to communicate by threat.
If these demands are not met by Juventus FC or the FIGC we are prepared to boycott the entire football product, because at that point it will become clear to all that this is not a league based on sport and competition but rather a farce where it is acceptable to make those who spend more win. No season ticket sales, no regular tickets, no magazine or web subscriptions, no pay TV, no merchandise, absolutely nothing.
* We do not want this type of football.
* For this type of football you will have to proceed without our money.
* This type of football Mr. Moratti will have to finance entirely.
We are many, we are awaiting the results of this case and we are infuriated.
Do not call our bluff because we assure you that in such a case we will bring our money elsewhere.
It is our consumer right and no one will take it away.
The staff of J1897network.com
http://juventus.theoffside.com/team-news/f...entus-fans.html
By: alessio | April 24th, 2010
This correspondence is directed at Juventus SpA, the FIGC and all Juventus fans.
http://www.j1897network.com/forum/index.ph...le-t263132.html
WE WANT JUSTICE!
Only four years have passed but for us fans it seems like many more. From 2006 to the present day we have absorbed too many humiliations, now it is time to seriously raise our voices.
The intercepted phone calls that have emerged recently from lawyers Prioreschi and Trofino in the Neapolitan Civil Court demonstrated one simple thing: those who four years ago professed immaculate honesty and walked the streets wearing the white veil of virginity with the “Scudetto of Embarrassment” stitched on top, made calls that were far worse than anything heard in 2006.
* Never was Moggi overheard asking for two linesmen from designator Mazzei let alone obtaining them.
* Never was Moggi overheard suggesting a new method to assign referees (and request to discontinue the random draw), inserting referees outside of the grid process to increase the probability of obtaining a desired referee.
* Never was Moggi found conversing with referees on the phone, excluding the call Paparesta made to Moggi after he officiated the Reggina-Juventus match which Moggi terminated with seconds claiming he had nothing to say to him.
* Never was Moggi heard requesting and being granted a referee for a Coppa Italia match (remember that Coppa matches did not adhere to a random draw process but rather straight assigning of referees).
Juventus fans are not stupid. It is clear as day that there were no fixed games in the “incriminated seasons” on behalf of Juventus, Inter, Milan, or any other club (this sentiment is further shared by the very judges who stated as much in the verdicts they wrote in July of 2006).
The only evident “system” was one that the FIGC itself created and promoted whereby team directors were invited and encouraged to maintain dialogue with referee designators for the purposes of communicating feedback be it satisfaction or criticism, there was certainly no mafia style organism governed by two men, who have now suffer consequences alone while all others continue to walk freely proclaiming their innocence.
It appears as though there are but two possible outcomes:
* It is determined that all are innocent: in such a case we demand that the FIGC reassign the 28th and 29th league titles to Juventus, a public apology for the damage that has been caused to the Juventus name along with a demand to Juventus SpA for an economic restitution by the FIGC for the financial losses incurred by the federation’s decisions. These are the MINIMUM acceptable actions that the team’s directors could carry out to finally demonstrate respect towards its fans that have remained loyal even in Serie B.
* It is determined that all are guilty: in such a case we demand that the FIGC open a new investigation in their Sporting Tribunal to analyze the new intercepted calls and that the same rules applied four years ago be applied again. This could only be realized by the relegation of certain”honest” teams.
The behavior was the same for all team directors, therefore we ask for only fair and equal treatment for all. Other solutions will not be tolerated from the Juventino population; do not think that revoking the 2006 title from Inter will be sufficient to pacify the country’s biggest fan base and burry the hatchet. We want a trial, we want the truth. The time of half truths and power games has come to an end.
Since all our prior requests for clarity regarding this case have fallen on deaf ears, now we are obligated to communicate by threat.
If these demands are not met by Juventus FC or the FIGC we are prepared to boycott the entire football product, because at that point it will become clear to all that this is not a league based on sport and competition but rather a farce where it is acceptable to make those who spend more win. No season ticket sales, no regular tickets, no magazine or web subscriptions, no pay TV, no merchandise, absolutely nothing.
* We do not want this type of football.
* For this type of football you will have to proceed without our money.
* This type of football Mr. Moratti will have to finance entirely.
We are many, we are awaiting the results of this case and we are infuriated.
Do not call our bluff because we assure you that in such a case we will bring our money elsewhere.
It is our consumer right and no one will take it away.
The staff of J1897network.com
http://juventus.theoffside.com/team-news/f...entus-fans.html
So......another Tuesday upon us, another delay perhaps?
I notice the glorious Italian media have been in full force today, printing old stories and calls from Moggi and making out as if they were new counter-evidence
It does make you laugh, I wonder if Mancini is as brave as he was in 2006, or if he and Ancelotti will turn up at all.
I notice the glorious Italian media have been in full force today, printing old stories and calls from Moggi and making out as if they were new counter-evidence
It does make you laugh, I wonder if Mancini is as brave as he was in 2006, or if he and Ancelotti will turn up at all.
10 new calls submitted today, believed to be from Inter, Bologna, Cagliari and Parma, in which a club director spoke directly to a referee, which is prohibited.
The 'cupola' theory has been dismantled, to quote those in court.
The 'cupola' theory has been dismantled, to quote those in court.
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Apr 27 2010, 02:24 PM)
10 new calls submitted today, believed to be from Inter, Bologna, Cagliari and Parma, in which a club director spoke directly to a referee, which is prohibited.
The 'cupola' theory has been dismantled, to quote those in court.
The 'cupola' theory has been dismantled, to quote those in court.
they can'#t dismiss it now can they, now it's all in the open, if it does it would look like a whitewash and a
conspiracy
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