Juventus’ stars have dubbed the refereeing decisions in their 3-1 defeat at Napoli as “a scandal.”
The Bianconeri were defeated at the Stadio San Paolo last night after Maurizio Domizzi converted two extremely controversial penalties.
The first appeared to be a clean Giorgio Chiellini tackle on Ezequiel Lavezzi, while in the second incident Marcelo Zalayeta visibly dived over Gianluigi Buffon.
The club has ordered its players not to speak to the Press in order to avoid further inflaming the controversy, but a few comments did sneak out after the match.
“When these things happen, it is quite simply a scandal,” noted David Trezeguet as he left the arena.
“It’s absolutely scandalous,” added defender Nicola Legrottaglie and creative midfielder Raffaele Palladino.
Buffon was clearly furious with the decision – and the booking he earned because of that ‘foul’ on former teammate Zalayeta. “We are not allowed to talk about it,” he told the media as he stormed off.
Vincenzo Iaquinta came on as a late substitute and tried to be a little more diplomatic about the performance of referee Mauro Bergonzi.
“I will not comment on the penalties, I did not see them. Now we have to focus on the next game and get right back on track.”
Juve found an unlikely ally in Napoli President Aurelio De Laurentiis, who praised his team but also admitted there had been mistakes.
“Those incidents are not our problem, but they are a problem for the Federation that hopefully will one day decide to use slow-motion replays on the field to make more accurate decisions. Then we’ll end it once and for all with this farce that only suits the media,” said the movie mogul.
“This Napoli side can finish in the top 10. It is still under construction and has to improve with some additions later on. I think we can evaluate the real Napoli next year.”
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct28f.html
Full Version: FARSOPOLI
Juventus President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli was livid after two controversial penalties in Naples. “They cannot treat us like this!”
The Bianconeri had already complained about the refereeing last week in the 1-0 win over Genoa when Pavel Nedved and Coach Claudio Ranieri were sent off.
They were positively furious after two terrible penalty decisions helped Napoli to a 3-1 victory this evening.
“I do not even need to see the incidents again on the slow-motion replay. They were so clear even from the stands that even the Napoli fans near me recognised the errors,” slammed President Cobolli Gigli on Sky Italia television.
“I have to wonder how on earth the referee and his assistants did not see them.”
The club’s figurehead also implied this was some kind of punishment for the Calciopoli scandal and that Juve would never again be given the benefit of the doubt.
“We want to be judged by what we do on the field. We went into Serie B, returned in A and we are earning our position for a good season.
“We cannot be treated this way. It is not possible that the authorities did not see what happened today. Nobody will give us back our three points, but we do need the referees to officiate our games without all this pressure. I have never seen anything like it.”
The match at the San Paolo was 1-1 when referee Mauro Bergonzi awarded a penalty for Giorgio Chiellini’s seemingly clean tackle on Ezequiel Lavezzi.
Soon after, the official pointed to the spot again when Marcelo Zalayeta appeared to dive over Gianluigi Buffon.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct27n.html
The Bianconeri had already complained about the refereeing last week in the 1-0 win over Genoa when Pavel Nedved and Coach Claudio Ranieri were sent off.
They were positively furious after two terrible penalty decisions helped Napoli to a 3-1 victory this evening.
“I do not even need to see the incidents again on the slow-motion replay. They were so clear even from the stands that even the Napoli fans near me recognised the errors,” slammed President Cobolli Gigli on Sky Italia television.
“I have to wonder how on earth the referee and his assistants did not see them.”
The club’s figurehead also implied this was some kind of punishment for the Calciopoli scandal and that Juve would never again be given the benefit of the doubt.
“We want to be judged by what we do on the field. We went into Serie B, returned in A and we are earning our position for a good season.
“We cannot be treated this way. It is not possible that the authorities did not see what happened today. Nobody will give us back our three points, but we do need the referees to officiate our games without all this pressure. I have never seen anything like it.”
The match at the San Paolo was 1-1 when referee Mauro Bergonzi awarded a penalty for Giorgio Chiellini’s seemingly clean tackle on Ezequiel Lavezzi.
Soon after, the official pointed to the spot again when Marcelo Zalayeta appeared to dive over Gianluigi Buffon.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct27n.html
We can't get our points back but if this disgraceful treatment continues we can say with conviction that the championship isn't fair and equal, and as such is invalid. It will just be another token gesture, it's hard enough to beat Inter on the field, off it as well we have no chance.
This match has now been dubbed 'La Vittoria Di Calciopoli'.
The referee (Bergonzi from Inter boardroom) has been banned for one match. No, we don't get any points back.
A Juventus fans’ forum has started an online petition to have referee Mauro Bergonzi sacked after his mistakes cost the Bianconeri on Saturday.
Bergonzi awarded Napoli two controversial penalties as the Vesuviani beat the Old Lady 3-1 at the Stadio San Paolo.
Videos seem to show that the first was a fair tackle by Giorgio Chiellini and the second a dive by ex-Juve hitman Marcelo Zalayeta.
Genoa native Bergonzi has already been told that he won’t officiate in Serie A for a month, but the anger hasn’t abated.
The petition on J1897.com has already accumulated thousands of signatures and messages from enraged fans and it seems that the matter is far from closed.
Bergonzi awarded Napoli two controversial penalties as the Vesuviani beat the Old Lady 3-1 at the Stadio San Paolo.
Videos seem to show that the first was a fair tackle by Giorgio Chiellini and the second a dive by ex-Juve hitman Marcelo Zalayeta.
Genoa native Bergonzi has already been told that he won’t officiate in Serie A for a month, but the anger hasn’t abated.
The petition on J1897.com has already accumulated thousands of signatures and messages from enraged fans and it seems that the matter is far from closed.
wtf is this, its not like its the first time a ref has fucked up and cost someone a point or three. chill the f**k out
Look in the match thread at the videos, he was anti-Juve, you can't have a championship where the referee is making such decisions.
I don't agree he should be sacked though, just that he should never ref Juve again.
J1897.com? Off hl goes to see if he can do some spamming 
It's an Italian site HL 
Also knows as Juworld.
Also knows as Juworld.
He might be a decent ref but if he calls a Juve game, bad call.
QUOTE(Thorisgodpoo @ Oct 29 2007, 02:17 PM) 
He might be a decent ref but if he calls a Juve game, bad call.
He is a good ref, which is what all the fuss is about. Awful decisions, he was not being impartial.
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Oct 29 2007, 02:16 PM)
It's an Italian site HL Also knows as Juworld.
Also knows as Juworld.fucking hell taking ages to load up
The penalties with analysis:
Jay, HL doesn't care what language it is, all he cares about is that if there are people that can read it, that makes it better.
they have an english bit
1st One is a clear dive, 2nd one, he does dive, but Buffon got in the way and gave him nowhere else to go. He still dives, but he wasn't making any attempt after the toe poke to get the ball. Shouldn't have been a penalty, both times.
Yeah they have a little English bit.
The main English language site is Juventuz.com, I have spoken to a few on there but they are either not interested as they only talk about Juventus or take it personally. I don't spam it because I am also a member
The main English language site is Juventuz.com, I have spoken to a few on there but they are either not interested as they only talk about Juventus or take it personally. I don't spam it because I am also a member
First one is definitely the better one but the 2nd one was rivaling the likes of Didhedive Drogba.
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Oct 29 2007, 10:47 AM)
Yeah they have a little English bit.
The main English language site is Juventuz.com, I have spoken to a few on there but they are either not interested as they only talk about Juventus or take it personally. I don't spam it because I am also a member
The main English language site is Juventuz.com, I have spoken to a few on there but they are either not interested as they only talk about Juventus or take it personally. I don't spam it because I am also a member
Well tell them we have an expansive JuveJay section where you talk about Star Wars and black people music.
That'll sure reel them in 
That reeled me in, I heard about some geek listening to rap music, I was like giddy up.
Most lads who listen to rap music are caucasian geeks, and you know this, man!
Back on topic, the ref should be tied to the goalpost at the Olimpico next game.
That would lead to a lot of of missed shots, and you don't want that.
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Oct 29 2007, 02:19 PM)
The penalties with analysis:
The calls aren't even that bad! They're wrong, but I've seen a lot of mistakes like that. In the first one the defender only just takes the ball before the ankles and the referee doesn't have a good view. The second is a blatant dive, but the referee was behind again and Buffon lead with his feet and never touched the ball.
Sorry Toby, but that is absolute bullshit. Everyone in Italy is saying what a joke the calls are, Bergonzi has been banned for a month.
QUOTE(Tobinho @ Oct 29 2007, 05:13 PM)
The calls aren't even that bad! They're wrong, but I've seen a lot of mistakes like that. In the first one the defender only just takes the ball before the ankles and the referee doesn't have a good view. The second is a blatant dive, but the referee was behind again and Buffon lead with his feet and never touched the ball.
they lost mate, let them have their conspiracy hissy fit
It's not a conspiracy, we are getting massive decisions against us because of Calciopoli. That shouldn't happen, we spent a season in Serie B and lost many great players as punishment. Now we are in A the referees are terrified to give us anything at all, we cannot hope to be anywhere near the top if this continues.
And, anyone who believes Serie A is suddenly different because Moggi is no longer there is sadly mistaken. According to punishments, ie he was the only one removed from his position, then Moggi ran the entire Serie A. If you believe that you probably believe in aliens and 9/11 conspiracy theories. Everyone else is still there, Inter still have a massive influence on media and the referee designator, Juve keep having non-existent penalties against us, yet we are supposed to believe it is all honest mistakes. Perhaps, not knowing what I know.
Maybe you should bring out the checkbook again and do it the italian way. You'll be champions in notime
Oh I see, this is a windup, right. Who brings out the chequebook to win titles?
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Oct 29 2007, 03:33 PM)
Oh I see, this is a windup, right. Who brings out the chequebook to win titles?
These days its Moratti, after seing the poor referee decisions in the Napoli match, what was the ref doing wearing yellow when he should clearly be black and blue
QUOTE(Italy4x @ Oct 29 2007, 05:35 PM)
These days its Moratti, after seing the poor referee decisions in the Napoli match, what was the ref doing wearing yellow when he should clearly be black and blue
exactly, and a few years ago it was juve in that position. You need to get back to the real game where the scudetto is decided, which is played behind the scene of violence and booring football.
We can't all live in a fairytale land of childhood innocence and constant viewing pleasure.
Juventus boss Claudio Ranieri has added his voice to the chorus of Bianconeri fans and representatives asking for fair treatment from referees.
The Old Lady were hit by two dubious penalty decisions in a 3-1 defeat at Napoli’s Stadio San Paolo last weekend.
The official responsible Mauro Bergonzi has been criticised from all corners of the peninsula with accusations that he has been influenced by the Calciopoli scandal.
“We don’t want to pay for the past, we already have,” Ranieri declared on Domenica Sportiva.
“I like Bergonzi as a referee, but he made mistakes against Napoli. We just want to be treated like the others, no better or worse.”
Ranieri was disappointed with the Naples reverse, but he remains positive and philosophical after his side’s impressive start to the campaign.
“We need to remember that we are a newly-promoted side and there are also other sides who have had tacticians working with them for longer,” he admitted.
“If we stay focused and keep on this track until March or April, who knows where we may end up…”
The Old Lady were hit by two dubious penalty decisions in a 3-1 defeat at Napoli’s Stadio San Paolo last weekend.
The official responsible Mauro Bergonzi has been criticised from all corners of the peninsula with accusations that he has been influenced by the Calciopoli scandal.
“We don’t want to pay for the past, we already have,” Ranieri declared on Domenica Sportiva.
“I like Bergonzi as a referee, but he made mistakes against Napoli. We just want to be treated like the others, no better or worse.”
Ranieri was disappointed with the Naples reverse, but he remains positive and philosophical after his side’s impressive start to the campaign.
“We need to remember that we are a newly-promoted side and there are also other sides who have had tacticians working with them for longer,” he admitted.
“If we stay focused and keep on this track until March or April, who knows where we may end up…”
Napoli striker Marcelo Zalayeta has been handed a two-game ban for diving to win a penalty against Juventus on Saturday.
The Uruguayan met with the wrath of his former club when he fooled referee Mauro Bergonzi into awarding a penalty in Napoli’s 3-1 win.
Video evidence proved that a spot-kick should not have been awarded and Zalayeta will now miss out on the Vesuviani’s trip to Fiorentina and home game against Reggina.
channel4.com/footballitalia
No more than he deserves. The referee 'should' have saw it. Whether he was fooled or not he made a cockup. I won't hold it against Zala, it was a blatant dive, so obvious the referee really can't have missed it.
The Uruguayan met with the wrath of his former club when he fooled referee Mauro Bergonzi into awarding a penalty in Napoli’s 3-1 win.
Video evidence proved that a spot-kick should not have been awarded and Zalayeta will now miss out on the Vesuviani’s trip to Fiorentina and home game against Reggina.
channel4.com/footballitalia
No more than he deserves. The referee 'should' have saw it. Whether he was fooled or not he made a cockup. I won't hold it against Zala, it was a blatant dive, so obvious the referee really can't have missed it.
Marcelo Zalayeta said before the game that he would not celebrate if he scored. Which is a nice thing to do. But he will dive and give Napoli a spot kick and agree with the ref that he got fouled. Its pathetic the way Juve is being treated. We got sent down to Serie B when there wasent any solid evedience that we did anything wrong, Juve went from being one of the Best teams in the world to as they are right now in a rebuilding stage. We paid our penently and this season should be fair and down the middle.
We should be able to beat Empoli on skill and we will beat the SCUM on Sunday on passion but with calls like that going to us I may have to re think.
We should be able to beat Empoli on skill and we will beat the SCUM on Sunday on passion but with calls like that going to us I may have to re think.
The more I look at the replay, the more I say to myself "WTF is wrong with the refs eye's?
Paying the penalty
After having two nonexistent penalties awarded against them at Napoli, Antonio Labbate asks if Juventus are still paying the price for Calciopoli.
They were arguably the sort of penalties that Juventus would have been given in years gone by. Generous, soft and nonexistent, spot-kicks which gave Napoli victory at the San Paolo on Saturday night. But those ‘gifts’ were much more significant than just the three points – they were the latest illustration that the Old Lady of Italian football are still paying for their Calciopoli past.
So far this season, the Bianconeri have conceded five-and-a-half penalties – one was awarded and then retracted at Cagliari – in just nine games. Of those decisions, all but one were more than debatable. Mix in the doubts over the legality of Francesco Totti’s first goal against them in Week 4 and why Antonio Nocerino was not awarded a penalty seven days earlier against Udinese, and you can see why the club feel hard done by.
Inevitably, as this is Italy, rumours of a supposed plot against Juve have already surfaced. That’s probably a little too far fetched at this stage. After all, it would have been easy for the men in black to disallow David Trezeguet’s strike against Torino and Vincenzo Iaquinta’s goal in Florence. However, it’s clear that certain officials are having trouble taking charge of Juventus this season.
Mauro Bergonzi’s performance at the weekend was a clear indication of the way some men are opting to handle the Old Lady in this post-Calciopoli climate. Big clubs, prior to the match-fixing scandal, were traditionally seen as being involuntarily favoured by referees due to a condition referred to as sudditanza psicologica – psychological subjection. Yet it seems that the Turin giants are now being judged with a kind of reverse sudditanza psicologica. With a number of refs understandably concerned that some of their honest mistakes may favour Juve, it’s easy to comprehend why an ‘if in doubt, blow against Juve’ philosophy is being used by them.
It’s a dangerous yardstick with which to rule by though. Punishing the already sentenced Juventus for the past misdemeanours of a management team who are no longer recognised by the present hierarchy is not only damaging to the club, but the game in general. It risks falsifying another campaign which has the potential to be the most exciting in years.
If the Italian game is to really move on and regain the credibility which it has been lacking in recent times, referees – and their assistants – must start making their decisions on what they actually see rather than what they perceive. They not only owe that to Juventus, but also to themselves and their fellow officials.
After having two nonexistent penalties awarded against them at Napoli, Antonio Labbate asks if Juventus are still paying the price for Calciopoli.
They were arguably the sort of penalties that Juventus would have been given in years gone by. Generous, soft and nonexistent, spot-kicks which gave Napoli victory at the San Paolo on Saturday night. But those ‘gifts’ were much more significant than just the three points – they were the latest illustration that the Old Lady of Italian football are still paying for their Calciopoli past.
So far this season, the Bianconeri have conceded five-and-a-half penalties – one was awarded and then retracted at Cagliari – in just nine games. Of those decisions, all but one were more than debatable. Mix in the doubts over the legality of Francesco Totti’s first goal against them in Week 4 and why Antonio Nocerino was not awarded a penalty seven days earlier against Udinese, and you can see why the club feel hard done by.
Inevitably, as this is Italy, rumours of a supposed plot against Juve have already surfaced. That’s probably a little too far fetched at this stage. After all, it would have been easy for the men in black to disallow David Trezeguet’s strike against Torino and Vincenzo Iaquinta’s goal in Florence. However, it’s clear that certain officials are having trouble taking charge of Juventus this season.
Mauro Bergonzi’s performance at the weekend was a clear indication of the way some men are opting to handle the Old Lady in this post-Calciopoli climate. Big clubs, prior to the match-fixing scandal, were traditionally seen as being involuntarily favoured by referees due to a condition referred to as sudditanza psicologica – psychological subjection. Yet it seems that the Turin giants are now being judged with a kind of reverse sudditanza psicologica. With a number of refs understandably concerned that some of their honest mistakes may favour Juve, it’s easy to comprehend why an ‘if in doubt, blow against Juve’ philosophy is being used by them.
It’s a dangerous yardstick with which to rule by though. Punishing the already sentenced Juventus for the past misdemeanours of a management team who are no longer recognised by the present hierarchy is not only damaging to the club, but the game in general. It risks falsifying another campaign which has the potential to be the most exciting in years.
If the Italian game is to really move on and regain the credibility which it has been lacking in recent times, referees – and their assistants – must start making their decisions on what they actually see rather than what they perceive. They not only owe that to Juventus, but also to themselves and their fellow officials.
Labbate explains it better than I did, but as I said, we are now at the level of a Fiorentina or Palermo because we have no power in the league.
Big clubs all around the world benefit from refereeing decisions, I'd question any fan of Man Utd, Real Madrid, Barcelona or whoever to say that their side has not benefitted from numerous questionable decisions in the last few years simply because they are a big club.
Now Juve are suffering the exact opposite because we are the 'dirty' team, treat us equally or the championship becomes pointless.
With thanks to gsol from various internet forums who is very experienced on the subject. All this information is from J197.com's English section in the "Calciopoli in English" thread, worth a read if you have the time.
http://www.j1897.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=76286
It's from a Juve perspective, but then we are the ones most commonly attacked.
To summarize there are many people running scared of a backlash so are trying to use further 'evidence' as a smokescreen. Thankfully it looks as if Montezemolo the traitor and coward is going to get what he deserves, although it isn't harsh enough.
We could have scudetti returned if a legitimate legal process is put in place, but there will be inevitable interference.
Big clubs all around the world benefit from refereeing decisions, I'd question any fan of Man Utd, Real Madrid, Barcelona or whoever to say that their side has not benefitted from numerous questionable decisions in the last few years simply because they are a big club.
Now Juve are suffering the exact opposite because we are the 'dirty' team, treat us equally or the championship becomes pointless.
With thanks to gsol from various internet forums who is very experienced on the subject. All this information is from J197.com's English section in the "Calciopoli in English" thread, worth a read if you have the time.
http://www.j1897.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=76286
It's from a Juve perspective, but then we are the ones most commonly attacked.
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This story was nearly 10 years in the making and has nothing to do with soccer and everything to do with money, power, and politics. I'm involved in various activities revolving around Calciopoli and have become somewhat of an expert in the topic. I'm fluent in Italian and as a result have been able to go through archives of newspaper articles, interviews, and books (written by lawyers). The most evidence you will get however is in reading the declarations and sentences left by the judges that presided over the trials and appeals. Most Juventus and Anti-Juventus fans (outside of Italy) have no idea that no shred of evidence existed linking Moggi and company to a single fixed game. Most people are unaware of the judge's declaration that "no game was fixed and referee selections were legitimate" Cesare Ruperto CAF judge. So why the punishments? Equally puzzling, why did Milan get a slap on the wrist after Meani threatened a linesman over the phone "when Milan is on the field keep your flag down unless the ball is on the opposite side of the field otherwise we'll chop your head off" Leonardo Meani. Why was an Inter investor and former Inter employee allowed to control the trial? This man Guido Rossi not only omitted evidence that would have cleared Juventus but discarded evidence that would have condemned his former employers (Inter). Do people know that there was phone tap evidence of Udinese and Milan organizing a tie? Do people know that there was phone tap evidence of Galliani and Collina meeting personally after hours at Meani's restaurant? Do people know the same man that sponsors Italian soccer through his ownership of TIM Mobile managed to intercept the phone calls that would eventually be used against Juventus? Do they know that he gave them to his partner (Moratti) illegally through a police officer who sanctioned the intercepts and then ordered that they be altered or destroyed in cases where Inter were incriminated? Eventually a security employee at Telecom Italia confessed to the shady wire taps and the police officer killed himself on July 21st 2006 (his name was Adamo Bove). Does anyone know that the wire taps were never listened to in court despite Juventus' defense requesting it? When Juventus requested to use video evidence it was denied too. People are in the dark on this case because it is convenient to many to believe that their team was losing because someone else was cheating...others are unwillingly in the dark because evidence is hard to find and hard to understand (unless you are fluent in Italian). As a result I have been strongly considering writing a book in English regarding the case (now known in Italy as Farsopoli). I am questioning the level of public interest however. It would take months to put together and I'd hate to do it for nothing. For now though feel free to ask me whatever you want and I'll do what I can to shed light on the situation. I'm more than happy to answer your questions. For now I'd suggest reading this article which helps understand why the media painted such an ugly picture of Juventus. http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=299625 Let me know what you think. If you get anything out of this article it should be the web of power Juve were up against. Here are some names in powerful positions just to give you an idea:
- FIGC President (at the time): Franco Carraro (ex-Milan President and co owner of Lazio/Roma through his control of Capitalia Credit Bank)
- La Lega Calcio President: Adriano Galliani (Milan Vie President)
- Italian Referees Association (AIA) President: Tulio Lanese good friend and political affiliate of Silvio Berlusconi and known Milanista (known on wire taps as Tulio “miLanese”)
- FIGC Referee Designers: Bergamo and Pairetto underlings of Carraro, Lanese, and Galliani as evidenced by the wire taps…now Collina after secretly meeting with Galliani assumed that role
- Prime Minister (at the time): Silvio Berlusconi who controls several TV stations, magazines, and newspapers, as well as controlling one of Italy’s biggest political parties (Forza Italia). Through his TV station ownership Berlusconi controls all Soccer TV rights (therefore ad revenue) for all teams competing in Serie A and B (this would later be used as blackmail to keep Milan in the Champions League).
- Italian Soccer Sponsor: Tronchetti Provera (massive Inter shareholder and personal friend of Moratti) owns Telecom Italia and its sister company TIM Mobile and which not only provided Inter owner Moratti with phone intercepts but also sponsors all soccer competition in Italy (Serie A TIM, Coppa Italia TIM, Supercoppa Italiana TIM)…also owns Pirelli Tires (Inter primary sponsor) and also owns LA7 (major Italian TV Station)
- Federcalcio (FIGC Investigations) President: Borelli, a political associate of Berlusconi and discovered having meetings behind closed doors with Galliani throughout the trial
- Federcalcio Commissioner: Guido Rossi, major Inter shareholder and former Inter director also sat on Telecom Italia’s board of directors
- President of la Gazzetta dello Sport: Carlo Bore also acting as Vice President of Inter
- Editor and Chief of la Gazzetta dello Sport: Verdelli and Cannavo’ both Inter shareholders
- Vice President of Federcalcio: Massimo Moratti Inter Owner
- Current Commissioner of the Federcalcio Investigating Inter for Accounting Fraud: Stefanini acting lawyer for La Spezia soccer team (40% of which is owned by Moratti)
So...still sound like a "Moggi controlled system"?
Finally (and believe me there is still WAY more to the story) I want to inform you of what our team was actually accused of. The accusation of match fixing revolved around three games. This is key to the case and all but proves how ridiculous it was.
Game 1: Lecce-Parma – yes you read right. The game has nothing at all to do with Juventus but this game allowed Fiorentina to survive Serie A in 2005. The accusation is that the Moggi controlled referee De Santis fixed the match at the request of Moggi after Della Valle (Fiorentina owner) asked Moggi for help. Moggi actually can’t stand De Santis and De Santis can’t stand Juventus. It was De Santis (admitted Interista) that disallowed a legitimate Juventus goal in the Italian Supercup costing Juve the trophy and handing it to Inter wrongfully. All intercepted phone calls regarding this game showed Della Valle contacting Bergamo (referee designer) and Carraro (FIGC president) and Mazzei (FIGC Vice President) directly with no mention of Luciano Moggi.
Game 2: Juventus-Udinese – the actual “fixed” game was Udinese-Bologna the week before. The idea was for the Moggi controlled referee to give yellow cards to Udinese players that were already carrying yellow cards so that they couldn’t play against Juventus. The players handed yellow cards that day were Pinzi and Di Michele. In actual fact neither was carrying yellows and both were on the field against Juventus the following match day.
Game 3: Juventus-Sampdoria – here the accusation was that the Moggi controlled referee allowed an offside goal to stand granting Juventus a 1-0 win over Sampdoria. The game actually ended 0-1 for Sampdoria with Aimo Diana scoring an offside goal. The result can be found on espn.com still today.
To close it should be noted that both Cesare Ruperto (CAF judge) and Piero Sandulli (Federal Court judge) declared that no system of pre-planned yellow cards existed and that no game was fixed by referees. It was also expressed that referee designations occurred throughout the season regularly. In other words the season was legit. The phone calls showed unsportsmanlike conduct by all parties but this is an Article 1 offense punishable by a 1 to 3 point deduction and a possible fine.
Finally the CAF sentence declared that “though no Article 6 offense can be found in the investigation, the overall conduct of Moggi and Giraudo (the latter heard on 3-5 phone calls mostly about nothing) created an unsportsmanlike environment favorable to Juventus in the standings AS EVIDENCED BY THEIR 1ST PLACE FINISH IN THE SEASON IN QUESTION”. This is like saying that driving is proof of being a car thief. In the end the sentence tried to lead us to believe that Juventus obtained an unfair advantage in the standings without conditioning referees or fixing a single game…mysterious no?
Feel free to ask me anymore questions. By the way...there isn't a single recorded conversation between Moggi and a referee or linesmen with one exception; Paparesta called Moggi to apologize after a mistake of his cost Juventus a game against Reggina. Moggi said one line "I have nothing to say to you" and hung up.
I enjoy shedding light on these matters so feel free to share my points with others and ask me whatever you like.
- FIGC President (at the time): Franco Carraro (ex-Milan President and co owner of Lazio/Roma through his control of Capitalia Credit Bank)
- La Lega Calcio President: Adriano Galliani (Milan Vie President)
- Italian Referees Association (AIA) President: Tulio Lanese good friend and political affiliate of Silvio Berlusconi and known Milanista (known on wire taps as Tulio “miLanese”)
- FIGC Referee Designers: Bergamo and Pairetto underlings of Carraro, Lanese, and Galliani as evidenced by the wire taps…now Collina after secretly meeting with Galliani assumed that role
- Prime Minister (at the time): Silvio Berlusconi who controls several TV stations, magazines, and newspapers, as well as controlling one of Italy’s biggest political parties (Forza Italia). Through his TV station ownership Berlusconi controls all Soccer TV rights (therefore ad revenue) for all teams competing in Serie A and B (this would later be used as blackmail to keep Milan in the Champions League).
- Italian Soccer Sponsor: Tronchetti Provera (massive Inter shareholder and personal friend of Moratti) owns Telecom Italia and its sister company TIM Mobile and which not only provided Inter owner Moratti with phone intercepts but also sponsors all soccer competition in Italy (Serie A TIM, Coppa Italia TIM, Supercoppa Italiana TIM)…also owns Pirelli Tires (Inter primary sponsor) and also owns LA7 (major Italian TV Station)
- Federcalcio (FIGC Investigations) President: Borelli, a political associate of Berlusconi and discovered having meetings behind closed doors with Galliani throughout the trial
- Federcalcio Commissioner: Guido Rossi, major Inter shareholder and former Inter director also sat on Telecom Italia’s board of directors
- President of la Gazzetta dello Sport: Carlo Bore also acting as Vice President of Inter
- Editor and Chief of la Gazzetta dello Sport: Verdelli and Cannavo’ both Inter shareholders
- Vice President of Federcalcio: Massimo Moratti Inter Owner
- Current Commissioner of the Federcalcio Investigating Inter for Accounting Fraud: Stefanini acting lawyer for La Spezia soccer team (40% of which is owned by Moratti)
So...still sound like a "Moggi controlled system"?
Finally (and believe me there is still WAY more to the story) I want to inform you of what our team was actually accused of. The accusation of match fixing revolved around three games. This is key to the case and all but proves how ridiculous it was.
Game 1: Lecce-Parma – yes you read right. The game has nothing at all to do with Juventus but this game allowed Fiorentina to survive Serie A in 2005. The accusation is that the Moggi controlled referee De Santis fixed the match at the request of Moggi after Della Valle (Fiorentina owner) asked Moggi for help. Moggi actually can’t stand De Santis and De Santis can’t stand Juventus. It was De Santis (admitted Interista) that disallowed a legitimate Juventus goal in the Italian Supercup costing Juve the trophy and handing it to Inter wrongfully. All intercepted phone calls regarding this game showed Della Valle contacting Bergamo (referee designer) and Carraro (FIGC president) and Mazzei (FIGC Vice President) directly with no mention of Luciano Moggi.
Game 2: Juventus-Udinese – the actual “fixed” game was Udinese-Bologna the week before. The idea was for the Moggi controlled referee to give yellow cards to Udinese players that were already carrying yellow cards so that they couldn’t play against Juventus. The players handed yellow cards that day were Pinzi and Di Michele. In actual fact neither was carrying yellows and both were on the field against Juventus the following match day.
Game 3: Juventus-Sampdoria – here the accusation was that the Moggi controlled referee allowed an offside goal to stand granting Juventus a 1-0 win over Sampdoria. The game actually ended 0-1 for Sampdoria with Aimo Diana scoring an offside goal. The result can be found on espn.com still today.
To close it should be noted that both Cesare Ruperto (CAF judge) and Piero Sandulli (Federal Court judge) declared that no system of pre-planned yellow cards existed and that no game was fixed by referees. It was also expressed that referee designations occurred throughout the season regularly. In other words the season was legit. The phone calls showed unsportsmanlike conduct by all parties but this is an Article 1 offense punishable by a 1 to 3 point deduction and a possible fine.
Finally the CAF sentence declared that “though no Article 6 offense can be found in the investigation, the overall conduct of Moggi and Giraudo (the latter heard on 3-5 phone calls mostly about nothing) created an unsportsmanlike environment favorable to Juventus in the standings AS EVIDENCED BY THEIR 1ST PLACE FINISH IN THE SEASON IN QUESTION”. This is like saying that driving is proof of being a car thief. In the end the sentence tried to lead us to believe that Juventus obtained an unfair advantage in the standings without conditioning referees or fixing a single game…mysterious no?
Feel free to ask me anymore questions. By the way...there isn't a single recorded conversation between Moggi and a referee or linesmen with one exception; Paparesta called Moggi to apologize after a mistake of his cost Juventus a game against Reggina. Moggi said one line "I have nothing to say to you" and hung up.
I enjoy shedding light on these matters so feel free to share my points with others and ask me whatever you like.
To summarize there are many people running scared of a backlash so are trying to use further 'evidence' as a smokescreen. Thankfully it looks as if Montezemolo the traitor and coward is going to get what he deserves, although it isn't harsh enough.
We could have scudetti returned if a legitimate legal process is put in place, but there will be inevitable interference.
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Oct 29 2007, 10:40 AM)
We can't get our points back but if this disgraceful treatment continues we can say with conviction that the championship isn't fair and equal, and as such is invalid.
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Oct 30 2007, 09:09 AM)
Big clubs all around the world benefit from refereeing decisions, I'd question any fan of Man Utd, Real Madrid, Barcelona or whoever to say that their side has not benefitted from numerous questionable decisions in the last few years simply because they are a big club.
Now Juve are suffering the exact opposite because we are the 'dirty' team, treat us equally or the championship becomes pointless.
Now Juve are suffering the exact opposite because we are the 'dirty' team, treat us equally or the championship becomes pointless.
So a championship is perfectly valid when calls go in favour of Juve, but not when they don't?
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Oct 29 2007, 03:21 PM)
Sorry Toby, but that is absolute bullshit. Everyone in Italy is saying what a joke the calls are, Bergonzi has been banned for a month.
Maybe because the Italian press massively favours Juve over Napoli? He has to be banned now there's been so much fuss, but in fact those penalty calls aren't that bad.
Was the championship valid when it went in favour of Juve? No, we were demoted, had them stripped and suffered for it, what will happen to the teams benefitting this season? Fuck all. Get real.
Yes Juve have a big hand in the Italian press, but it is minute compared to that of Milan and Inter When the Milan based papers are calling it a scandal you need to stop reading between the lines, the ref was obstructed, his foot landed here, velocity, wind speed, forget all that crap they were two shocking decisions that just happened to go against Juve in this big match. It is easy to sit as a neutral and take the diplomatic view but it is clear that so far we have been treated very badly by referees and no matter what the cause of it is it has to stop as calcio is suffering another ethical crisis.
Juventini have had to make a massive deal of this because we are sick of it.
Yes Juve have a big hand in the Italian press, but it is minute compared to that of Milan and Inter
When the Milan based papers are calling it a scandal you need to stop reading between the lines, the ref was obstructed, his foot landed here, velocity, wind speed, forget all that crap they were two shocking decisions that just happened to go against Juve in this big match. It is easy to sit as a neutral and take the diplomatic view but it is clear that so far we have been treated very badly by referees and no matter what the cause of it is it has to stop as calcio is suffering another ethical crisis.Juventini have had to make a massive deal of this because we are sick of it.
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Inter chief Massimo Moratti sympathises with Juventus after Mauro Bergonzi’s San Paolo horror show, but laughs off talk of a conspiracy.
Bergonzi awarded two controversial spot-kicks, which cost the Bianconeri dear in their 3-1 reverse at Napoli.
It has been suggested in the peninsula that the Old Lady are being victimised as a result of last summer’s Calciopoli scandal.
“I understand Juventus’ anger because it’s clear that they have suffered,” Moratti admitted.
“But the most important thing is that we don’t see a drama like we had last year.
“Every year they say that it is the worst for refereeing, but there are young officials and it is possible for them to make mistakes.”
It remains to be seen whether the Nerazzurri patron will take such a conciliatory stance if decisions go against his side when they travel to Turin for November 4’s Derby d’Italia.
Bergonzi awarded two controversial spot-kicks, which cost the Bianconeri dear in their 3-1 reverse at Napoli.
It has been suggested in the peninsula that the Old Lady are being victimised as a result of last summer’s Calciopoli scandal.
“I understand Juventus’ anger because it’s clear that they have suffered,” Moratti admitted.
“But the most important thing is that we don’t see a drama like we had last year.
“Every year they say that it is the worst for refereeing, but there are young officials and it is possible for them to make mistakes.”
It remains to be seen whether the Nerazzurri patron will take such a conciliatory stance if decisions go against his side when they travel to Turin for November 4’s Derby d’Italia.
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we don’t see a drama like we had last year.
Of course you don't, because that would mean demotion for Inter. And like they say, we'll see if Moratti reacts in such a diplomatic manner if a decision goes against Inter in the derby, which is extremely unlikely.
It's funny, it is almost a role reversal for us and Inter fans, the difference is you won't have 2 Calciopoli's so close together even if there is anything untoward happening, we just have to build a super team because we have greater spirit than any other in the league.
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Oct 30 2007, 09:24 AM)
Was the championship valid when it went in favour of Juve? No, we were demoted, had them stripped and suffered for it, what will happen to the teams benefitting this season? f**k all. Get real.
Juve weren't demoted because refereeing mistakes had been made were they?
And you just said all championships are subject to decisions favouring the big teams, not just the two Serie A championships that Juve have been stripped of. So yes, past championships in which decision have favoured Juve (including of course a lot of very famous ones) have been valid.
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Oct 30 2007, 10:12 AM)
Of course you don't, because that would mean demotion for Inter.
Are you implying that Inter are now having a hand in these refereeing mistakes? A few posts ago you said it was the after-effects of calciopoli.
I know what you are saying very well, a mixture of both is what I said in the earlier thread. It is always handy to have a powerful men to fall back on if the referee is not swayed as they usually are.
My main point is that we don't have any power anymore, so we are less liable to get decisions. It's not match fixing, just as it wasn't when Juve had the power and got decisions, but it is no different so why should we act any differently than those fans who thought any time we had a throw-in it was a conspiracy?
It is more than a shift in power in my opinion, but big teams will always get decisions. I have a problem with so many going against us in 9 games.
My main point is that we don't have any power anymore, so we are less liable to get decisions. It's not match fixing, just as it wasn't when Juve had the power and got decisions, but it is no different so why should we act any differently than those fans who thought any time we had a throw-in it was a conspiracy?
It is more than a shift in power in my opinion, but big teams will always get decisions. I have a problem with so many going against us in 9 games.
Wouldn't it be a good thing if the big clubs didn't have this kind of power though? Obviously it's not good if referees are intentionally making wrong calls to penalize certain clubs (Milan have also suffered a lot of wrong decisions, Roma's penalty was almost as bad as Napoli's) but maybe it will eventually balance out. It's no good to be demanding power back because you are Juventus, but I'm all for truly fair treatment across the whole league. I'm not sure whether putting this kind of pressure on referees is the best way to go about that, imagine the pressure on the next referee to take charge of a Juve game. Supposing there should be a penalty for Empoli - it's now pretty likely it won't be given.
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