14 defeats - the worst in history is 15 in 1961-62 (34 games), which will be matched when we play Milan away last game.
53 goals conceded - the worst in history is 56 in 34 games in that 1961-62 season.
7th place - and the ignominy of the Europa League qualifiers in some arsehole end of Europe in July. The worst in history was again that season in 1961-62 when we finished 12th. The other lowest league position since then was 6th, in 1998-99.
- first win for Napoli in Turin since 1986
- first win for Catania in Turin since 1963
- first win for Parma in Turin since 1999
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53 goals in 37 games...that's just sad
Our worst results were when we played with 2 defensive mids yet Zac insisted on that tactic. Zac was one of the many reasons why we still sucked even after Marchisio, Iaquinta, Buffon, etc all came back from injury. DM-DM-CM is a joke, AM-DM-DM-CM is a laughingstock. Melo and Sissoko in centre mid? 
Napoli is ahead and Zac brings on a defender and leaves Giovinco on the bench? 
Brilliant
Napoli is ahead and Zac brings on a defender and leaves Giovinco on the bench? Brilliant
QUOTE(JuveJay @ May 10 2010, 10:24 AM) 
14 defeats - the worst in history is 15 in 1961-62 (34 games), which will be matched when we play Milan away last game.
53 goals conceded - the worst in history is 56 in 34 games in that 1961-62 season.
7th place - and the ignominy of the Europa League qualifiers in some arsehole end of Europe in July. The worst in history was again that season in 1961-62 when we finished 12th. The other lowest league position since then was 6th, in 1998-99.
- first win for Napoli in Turin since 1986
- first win for Catania in Turin since 1963
- first win for Parma in Turin since 1999
53 goals conceded - the worst in history is 56 in 34 games in that 1961-62 season.
7th place - and the ignominy of the Europa League qualifiers in some arsehole end of Europe in July. The worst in history was again that season in 1961-62 when we finished 12th. The other lowest league position since then was 6th, in 1998-99.
- first win for Napoli in Turin since 1986
- first win for Catania in Turin since 1963
- first win for Parma in Turin since 1999
Are sackings taking place this morning then?
This morning? 
We have a game left yet, with our caretaker coach. We will lose that, he will go as planned, and we will have to bring in another coach for next season, preferably one with pedigree.
There will be a revolution at the club in the summer. There is already a new president, one who will actually pay interest to the club, who the players respect and trust. There will be a new sporting director (these people organise transfers in Italy), probably Beppe Marino from Sampdoria. The new coach will bring his whole team in. Basically the only thing that worked at the club this season was Jean-Claude Blanc who is the financial director and stadium project manager, everything else is broken.
You can't have a season with a sporting director signing the wrong players, a rookie coach who can't get it right tactically, players on the treatment table every week because of the medical staff and training ground, replacing the rookie coach with a proven poor coach, subsequently fans attacking the players and club from every angle and then expect the team to do well on the pitch. That's all it boils down to really, results on the pitch. This has been a disastrous season from about 7 or 8 weeks in until the end. We really need to start all over again, which could set us back 2-3 years unless everything clicks right away.
We have a game left yet, with our caretaker coach. We will lose that, he will go as planned, and we will have to bring in another coach for next season, preferably one with pedigree. There will be a revolution at the club in the summer. There is already a new president, one who will actually pay interest to the club, who the players respect and trust. There will be a new sporting director (these people organise transfers in Italy), probably Beppe Marino from Sampdoria. The new coach will bring his whole team in. Basically the only thing that worked at the club this season was Jean-Claude Blanc who is the financial director and stadium project manager, everything else is broken.
You can't have a season with a sporting director signing the wrong players, a rookie coach who can't get it right tactically, players on the treatment table every week because of the medical staff and training ground, replacing the rookie coach with a proven poor coach, subsequently fans attacking the players and club from every angle and then expect the team to do well on the pitch. That's all it boils down to really, results on the pitch. This has been a disastrous season from about 7 or 8 weeks in until the end. We really need to start all over again, which could set us back 2-3 years unless everything clicks right away.
QUOTE(JuveJay @ May 10 2010, 04:24 PM)
14 defeats - the worst in history is 15 in 1961-62 (34 games), which will be matched when we play Milan away last game.
53 goals conceded - the worst in history is 56 in 34 games in that 1961-62 season.
7th place - and the ignominy of the Europa League qualifiers in some arsehole end of Europe in July. The worst in history was again that season in 1961-62 when we finished 12th. The other lowest league position since then was 6th, in 1998-99.
- first win for Napoli in Turin since 1986
- first win for Catania in Turin since 1963
- first win for Parma in Turin since 1999
53 goals conceded - the worst in history is 56 in 34 games in that 1961-62 season.
7th place - and the ignominy of the Europa League qualifiers in some arsehole end of Europe in July. The worst in history was again that season in 1961-62 when we finished 12th. The other lowest league position since then was 6th, in 1998-99.
- first win for Napoli in Turin since 1986
- first win for Catania in Turin since 1963
- first win for Parma in Turin since 1999
I'm soooooooooooooooooo happy to see all those history markers...
QUOTE(JuveJay @ May 10 2010, 10:24 AM)
the worst in history is 15 in 1961-62 (34 games)
Juventus still had elite players like John Charles and Omar Sivori, was the retirement of the legend Boniperti the major cause of their troubles, or some other reason(s)?
Pretty much, although having read Charles' autobiography it seemed that off the field problems accounted more as well, Juventus lost a couple of players as well as Boniperti, he was having offers back in Britain and it affected his mindset, and there were increasing problems with Sivori's discipline, so the team took a few years to recover.
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We would have been better staying with Ferrara for the season.....
We would have been better staying with Ferrara for the season.....
15 defeats, a new tied record
55:56
I think this is the first time in HISTORY we have finished with a negative goal difference
I think this is the first time in HISTORY we have finished with a negative goal difference
Well, it probably goes without saying, but in hindsight, Ciro Ferrara was clearly not the problem, and if anything, the Juve board (at the time) should be heavily criticized for hanging him out to dry. Zac fared no better, in fact, probably worse. And besides, how can you not love this guy?
Nice to see that again, makes me sad to see what we had before and how different the club is now. Ciro is quite famous for his singing voice, perhaps he should go into pop
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Jul 1 2010, 07:55 PM)
Nice to see that again, makes me sad to see what we had before and how different the club is now. Ciro is quite famous for his singing voice, perhaps he should go into pop Likewise, also great to hear the applause for Ciro and Gianluca Pessotto, great players but also great people. Makes me wonder how any of those players who left could do so and still have anything resembling a soul left.
With regards to the way Ferrara was treated by the "Juve" board, this article is pretty much spot on:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/335973-...-it-truly-began
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/335973-...-it-truly-began
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Let me start this article with an admission. I've always loved Ciro Ferrara. That does not mean what follows is a defence of his managerial record, as the facts speak for themselves. What is clear, however, is that one of Italian football's true legends has been tarnished over the past few months, and I would like to try restore some of that shine.
I admired Ferrara from a distance as he won two scudetti and the UEFA Cup as part of the Napoli of Diego Maradona, holding both his style of play, and his will to win, in high regard. When Juventus signed him in 1994 it just felt right. The fact he is the only man Lippi brought with him from Naples speaks volumes.
When he retired from playing I felt the hole he left in our defence would be tough to fill. Lillian Thuram quickly changed that, but since he left for Barcelona, the right back slot became a problem for Juventus that remains to this day. Perhaps fitting, considering what has followed.
Over the 11 years Ferrara spent in Turin, Juventus slowly but surely replaced Napoli in his heart. He eventually played more games in his new home than he did under the shadow of Vesuvio. He was not born Bianconero, but he became one of us, by his own admission. Playing with that much passion and desire to succeed meant it could be no other way.
After Ranieri was fired last season with two games to spare, it was by channelling that same will and desire that ensured Juventus held on to second place under Ferrara's then-temporary charge. Then the current directors went to work.
They started of their summer by openly courting a number of managers to take permanent charge. Cesare Prandelli, Gianpiero Gasperini, and Antonio Conte all flirted with the club, before all three decided they were better off staying where they were.
Throughout it all, Ferrara did as he always had, acting with diplomacy, being a true gentleman, never once asking for anything. Only then, when all other avenues were seemingly exhausted, did the board turn to him as a full-time manager. Ciro Ferrara did what all Juventini would do at that point: He seized the offer with both hands and ran with it.
With no managerial experience whatsoever, the task was always beyond his capabilities at that time. But could any fan really turn down the opportunity to coach the club of his heart? After being a player is it not the dream job, the chance of a lifetime? Yes, he probably knew, deep down, that it was too soon, but love conquers all, right?
Another error by the men in charge—looking to experience failed, so they went for the cheap option. A no-lose situation when appointing a club legend as it ensures the fans get right behind the new man, restoring some faith in the tifosi hearts after it had been lost under Ranieri.
Then Ferrara started work making it "his" team. Out went the previous, safety-first 4-4-2 formation, replaced early in the summer with a three-man midfield, enabling marquee signing Diego to flourish. Taking his idea to the board, he told them his requirement for a deep-lying passer in midfield, a regista . They looked, making a very public bid for Udinese's Gaetano D'Agostino, which ultimately failed.
Felipe Melo was brought in, however, another destroyer to add to Christain Poulsen and Momo Sissoko. To make room for this expensive folly, Cristiano Zanetti was shipped to Fiorentina. This mistake was huge, as he was probably the only midfielder with the qualities required to make the new tactic work.
Defensive cover was also required, and the directors saw fit to hinder Ferrara even more by securing Fabio Cannavaro's return to the club. Clearly aging and fading, he was no upgrade on the Chiellini-Legrottaglie partnership of the previous season. To make room for these expensive additions, Marco Marchionni was also sacrificed. While not a great loss, this sale removed a safety net for Ferrara.
Without the winger, and with the retirement of Pavel Nedved, injuries to Mauro Camoranesi and Hasan Salihamidzic meant no wide players were available. This meant that the three-man-midfield would have to work, no matter the flaws. Despite all these handicaps, Ferrara and his team made their biggest mistake.
That was, unlike Milan, under fellow new manager Leonardo, to get off to a great start. This raised fans' expectations to ridiculous heights, dreaming of both scudetto and Champions League success. When, after a few months, reality bit, there was only going to be one fall guy.
The horrendous injury list, the loss of form of the Brazilian players as the Turin winter set in, the loss of Sissoko to the Cup of Nations, the complete failure of Cannavaro. None of these are excuses for a club of this magnitude. All are reasons why Juve have struggled.
That is not to say Ferrara is blameless. His persistence with using Molinaro over De Ceglie. His reluctance to play Sebastian Giovinco. His blind assumption that Amauri and Diego would somehow rediscover their best form if they both played 90 minutes every game. His lack of faith early on in Martin Caceres. Yes, he made mistakes, what rookie doesn't?
What becomes all the more clear is that while he might never be the right man for the top job, he was exactly the kind of man the club needs as it attempts to move on from Calciopoli. Men who know the game, who love the club, who know how to win. The board rectified one similar mistake recently in bringing Roberto Bettega back to the club, it needs to act much quicker before it loses another in Ciro Ferrara.
I admit that I blamed Ciro at the time as well, but when you think about it, only Caceres and Diego out of the players brought in during the summer and had any impact, and it was a negligible one. He simply didn't have the personnel, and the insane number of injuries didn't help a lot, either. Secco and Blanc were the real problem all along. Their incompetency has been crystal clear since the very beginning; who remembers Boumsong? It hasn't gotten better with time, either, with the likes of Tiago, Almiron, Andrade, etc. And Cristiano Zanetti was a Moggi signing. That leaves... who? Can Luciano Moggi please come back?
I admired Ferrara from a distance as he won two scudetti and the UEFA Cup as part of the Napoli of Diego Maradona, holding both his style of play, and his will to win, in high regard. When Juventus signed him in 1994 it just felt right. The fact he is the only man Lippi brought with him from Naples speaks volumes.
When he retired from playing I felt the hole he left in our defence would be tough to fill. Lillian Thuram quickly changed that, but since he left for Barcelona, the right back slot became a problem for Juventus that remains to this day. Perhaps fitting, considering what has followed.
Over the 11 years Ferrara spent in Turin, Juventus slowly but surely replaced Napoli in his heart. He eventually played more games in his new home than he did under the shadow of Vesuvio. He was not born Bianconero, but he became one of us, by his own admission. Playing with that much passion and desire to succeed meant it could be no other way.
After Ranieri was fired last season with two games to spare, it was by channelling that same will and desire that ensured Juventus held on to second place under Ferrara's then-temporary charge. Then the current directors went to work.
They started of their summer by openly courting a number of managers to take permanent charge. Cesare Prandelli, Gianpiero Gasperini, and Antonio Conte all flirted with the club, before all three decided they were better off staying where they were.
Throughout it all, Ferrara did as he always had, acting with diplomacy, being a true gentleman, never once asking for anything. Only then, when all other avenues were seemingly exhausted, did the board turn to him as a full-time manager. Ciro Ferrara did what all Juventini would do at that point: He seized the offer with both hands and ran with it.
With no managerial experience whatsoever, the task was always beyond his capabilities at that time. But could any fan really turn down the opportunity to coach the club of his heart? After being a player is it not the dream job, the chance of a lifetime? Yes, he probably knew, deep down, that it was too soon, but love conquers all, right?
Another error by the men in charge—looking to experience failed, so they went for the cheap option. A no-lose situation when appointing a club legend as it ensures the fans get right behind the new man, restoring some faith in the tifosi hearts after it had been lost under Ranieri.
Then Ferrara started work making it "his" team. Out went the previous, safety-first 4-4-2 formation, replaced early in the summer with a three-man midfield, enabling marquee signing Diego to flourish. Taking his idea to the board, he told them his requirement for a deep-lying passer in midfield, a regista . They looked, making a very public bid for Udinese's Gaetano D'Agostino, which ultimately failed.
Felipe Melo was brought in, however, another destroyer to add to Christain Poulsen and Momo Sissoko. To make room for this expensive folly, Cristiano Zanetti was shipped to Fiorentina. This mistake was huge, as he was probably the only midfielder with the qualities required to make the new tactic work.
Defensive cover was also required, and the directors saw fit to hinder Ferrara even more by securing Fabio Cannavaro's return to the club. Clearly aging and fading, he was no upgrade on the Chiellini-Legrottaglie partnership of the previous season. To make room for these expensive additions, Marco Marchionni was also sacrificed. While not a great loss, this sale removed a safety net for Ferrara.
Without the winger, and with the retirement of Pavel Nedved, injuries to Mauro Camoranesi and Hasan Salihamidzic meant no wide players were available. This meant that the three-man-midfield would have to work, no matter the flaws. Despite all these handicaps, Ferrara and his team made their biggest mistake.
That was, unlike Milan, under fellow new manager Leonardo, to get off to a great start. This raised fans' expectations to ridiculous heights, dreaming of both scudetto and Champions League success. When, after a few months, reality bit, there was only going to be one fall guy.
The horrendous injury list, the loss of form of the Brazilian players as the Turin winter set in, the loss of Sissoko to the Cup of Nations, the complete failure of Cannavaro. None of these are excuses for a club of this magnitude. All are reasons why Juve have struggled.
That is not to say Ferrara is blameless. His persistence with using Molinaro over De Ceglie. His reluctance to play Sebastian Giovinco. His blind assumption that Amauri and Diego would somehow rediscover their best form if they both played 90 minutes every game. His lack of faith early on in Martin Caceres. Yes, he made mistakes, what rookie doesn't?
What becomes all the more clear is that while he might never be the right man for the top job, he was exactly the kind of man the club needs as it attempts to move on from Calciopoli. Men who know the game, who love the club, who know how to win. The board rectified one similar mistake recently in bringing Roberto Bettega back to the club, it needs to act much quicker before it loses another in Ciro Ferrara.
It wasn't all his fault, but he did make some really bad rookie mistakes.
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