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JuveJay
Juve fans are setting fire to the seats.
JuveJay
Can someone throw Jean-Claude Blanc on top please.
brasil5x
DP coming on has no affect so far
CK
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Jan 10 2010, 04:27 PM) *
Juve fans are setting fire to the seats.


One way of showing displeasure. Manager gone?
JuveJay
I feel sorry for Ciro as a person, he has been let down on and off the pitch. But as a coach, well, he just doesn't have the spark right now.

As for our players, I like Diego and he will be a star, but too many of them are too old, too average or just not consistent enough.

Yeah we have a tonne of big players out, but there are not enough who can fight and play, too many only with one or the other.
JuveJay
QUOTE(brasil5x @ Jan 10 2010, 09:28 PM) *
DP coming on has no affect so far

He isn't fit, I already said we have no attacking options to come off the bench. At his age he will take weeks to get up to speed, it's a bad time to come back into the side.


QUOTE(CK @ Jan 10 2010, 09:30 PM) *
One way of showing displeasure. Manager gone?

If he isn't then the fans should oust the president Blanc and director general Secco.
JuveJay
Del Piero only ten yards over this time.
brasil5x
Ronaldinho scores a 2nd goal,did not see it

0-3
JuveJay
0-3, Ronaldinho again hahaha.gif Well, we have been finished in this one for 15 minutes, he just takes advantage. Hopeless.

brasil5x
Juve 0 Milan 3 FINAL
ReMad
0-3 Ronaldinho Min.87

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JuveJay
Match report: http://www.football-italia.net/sa0910/juv-mil.html

At least we get a new coach, preferably one that isn't an amateur. Nothing more to say about this abomination.
il capitano
this is as bad as it gets now for Juve and as good for Milan
We_are_QPR
Poor Jay sad.gif
We_are_QPR
QUOTE(ReMad @ Jan 10 2010, 09:41 PM) *
0-3 Ronaldinho Min.87

Click Here for Video

None of your videos work for me, says video not found sad.gif
JuveJay
Yeah the vids don't work now. Shame laugh.gif icon_mrgreen.gif
AlexRossi
After all the trash talking I was doing about Milan in the pre-season, dont I look f#cken stupid sad.gif

I too feel sorry for Ciro. Its not all his fault. He will be gone and if our board was smart Blanc would be out as well. I hope Ciro can get back into youth coaching. Good luck to him on his next job.

There is really nothing to say about the game. I dont think we took one shot on net.

JuveJay
Someone just said 'Ranieri point has been reached' LOL
JuveJay
QUOTE(AlexRossi @ Jan 10 2010, 09:50 PM) *
After all the trash talking I was doing about Milan in the pre-season, dont I look f#cken stupid sad.gif

I too feel sorry for Ciro. Its not all his fault. He will be gone and if our board was smart Blanc would be out as well. I hope Ciro can get back into youth coaching. Good luck to him on his next job.

There is really nothing to say about the game. I dont think we took one shot on net.

What Milan have done is nothing this season, they were garbage first quarter and good second so far. We had a massive lead over them and should be near Inter right now. We just have to look at ourselves, we have massively underachieved since that bad run of results. If you look at last season and the players we added we should be doing so much better.

I don't think it is mere coincidence it started as soon as we started to get injuries, but once we did Ciro didn't have the knowledge or players to grind results out, we have been going W-D-L all the time.

Confidence is rock bottom, I don't think it will change until we get players back and it looks like we will have to freshen up the coaching side as it has gone from poor to desperate to a disgrace to the name Juventus in recent weeks. It might have been better had we lost to Parma so we didn't have to face a Milan side in good form in such a terrible state.
AlexRossi
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Jan 10 2010, 04:58 PM) *
What Milan have done is nothing this season, they were garbage first quarter and good second so far. We had a massive lead over them and should be near Inter right now. We just have to look at ourselves, we have massively underachieved since that bad run of results. If you look at last season and the players we added we should be doing so much better.

I don't think it is mere coincidence it started as soon as we started to get injuries, but once we did Ciro didn't have the knowledge or players to grind results out, we have been going W-D-L all the time.

Confidence is rock bottom, I don't think it will change until we get players back and it looks like we will have to freshen up the coaching side as it has gone from poor to desperate to a disgrace to the name Juventus in recent weeks. It might have been better had we lost to Parma so we didn't have to face a Milan side in good form in such a terrible state.


We have the players that should be challenging Inter at the top and we have the players that can go far in the CL. The fact that we are out of the CL and title race says the coach has to go. We took a gamble hiring Ciro and it did not work out. We need a coach who can not only get confidence up but also get the team working as a unit. Did we pull off any successful strings of passes today? Og get one shot on goal?

Milan were also nothing special today and the still crushed us. 3 goals off of three corners.

I heard the RIA commentator say something about Antonio Conte being in attendance. Is this true. Can he be the next coach?
brasil5x
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Jan 10 2010, 01:42 PM) *
Match report: http://www.football-italia.net/sa0910/juv-mil.html

At least we get a new coach, preferably one that isn't an amateur. Nothing more to say about this abomination.


Leonardo is an amateur too,so is Dunga ,but that's another story
JuveJay
QUOTE(brasil5x @ Jan 10 2010, 10:09 PM) *
Leonardo is an amateur too,so is Dunga ,but that's another story

Fortunately for Leonardo he had a bad spell early on, as it was too early to sack him. Ferrara's was the other way round, now he is in the same position Leonardo was close to.

I know it is all roses and applause at Milan right now but that could change. They haven't faced injuries like we have, but it's a running theme at this club and I am sick of talking about it. I don't think we have been able to put out our strongest lineup since we returned to Serie A.

Milan played pretty well tonight, but it's hard to gauge what they could really do playing the worst Juventus for 10 or more years. I don't see them being consistent enough to really challenge, but I hope they do win it. They had guys out there tonight who were lucky they were facing guys out of position. For their defence it was easy at I said it would be, there is nothing in terms of attack from our team in this system. To top it off we conceded two goals from set pieces or type situations that should easily have been avoided. Can it get any worse? It's a dreadful performance, if we could beat Inter the other week we should do much better against Milan. The performance was not there, the players have lost heart now, time for change.

Incidentally, the last three times Milan won in Turin the won the scudetto, think it was 2004, 1999 and 1994 maybe.
JuveJay
QUOTE(AlexRossi @ Jan 10 2010, 10:06 PM) *
We have the players that should be challenging Inter at the top and we have the players that can go far in the CL. The fact that we are out of the CL and title race says the coach has to go. We took a gamble hiring Ciro and it did not work out. We need a coach who can not only get confidence up but also get the team working as a unit. Did we pull off any successful strings of passes today? Og get one shot on goal?

Milan were also nothing special today and the still crushed us. 3 goals off of three corners.

I heard the RIA commentator say something about Antonio Conte being in attendance. Is this true. Can he be the next coach?

What is Antonio Conte going to do with this team? He is no different an appointment than Ferrara. Even if we appoint Hiddink right now I don't have faith even he could turn us around. He isn't going to make players appear back from injury is he? He would still have the conundrum of trying to fit Diego into the team, where to play Melo, it just looks desperate. On another day we could be like Milan, and everything is positive, but this is football. What really gets me is we never have the guys available to try to dig us out of trouble. How can we possibly find any consistent form with different key guys missing from week to week? First it is Trez, Alex and Camo plus others, then they come back and another 2-4 go out the team, then they come back and another 2-4. On top of that the coach can't find a suitable system. It's a joke. We need to get back to being solid first, and go from there. Ciro tried to stifle and go for 0-0 today with that system, but Melo fucked up again and we found ourselves 1-0 down and he has no plan B. We made Milan look great but Juve should only lose 3-0 at home to really good teams, this is not a really good Milan team.
brasil5x
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Jan 10 2010, 02:17 PM) *
Fortunately for Leonardo he had a bad spell early on, as it was too early to sack him. Ferrara's was the other way round, now he is in the same position Leonardo was close to.

I know it is all roses and applause at Milan right now but that could change. They haven't faced injuries like we have, but it's a running theme at this club and I am sick of talking about it. I don't think we have been able to put out our strongest lineup since we returned to Serie A.

Milan played pretty well tonight, but it's hard to gauge what they could really do playing the worst Juventus for 10 or more years. I don't see them being consistent enough to really challenge, but I hope they do win it. They had guys out there tonight who were lucky they were facing guys out of position. For their defence it was easy at I said it would be, there is nothing in terms of attack from our team in this system. To top it off we conceded two goals from set pieces or type situations that should easily have been avoided. Can it get any worse? It's a dreadful performance, if we could beat Inter the other week we should do much better against Milan. The performance was not there, the players have lost heart now, time for change.

Incidentally, the last three times Milan won in Turin the won the scudetto, think it was 2004, 1999 and 1994 maybe.


Its not all Ciro like you said earlier ,but unfortunately he will be blamed and fired .You should stay one until the end of the season IMO
JuveJay
Maybe, but what if we finished 6th or 7th? That would be totally unacceptable. We would lose players, lose money, and I don't see the benefit.
brasil5x
right but end of the season is still very far away
JuveJay
QUOTE
“This is a very difficult moment," Ferrara told Sky Sport Italia.

"We didn’t start too badly but we seem to be punished with very opportunity. Milan scored with their first chance.

“However, I don’t feel in danger of losing my job, I am very concentrated.

"I am trying to put my energy into the team. It is not my decision to make if they sack me or not, and if I am sacked I will accept it.

“I am not giving up.”


He's in denial.
JuveJay
QUOTE
Galliani: I suggest to my Juventus friend's, not to sack Ciro


LOL. Well, thanks capo.
JuveJay
QUOTE
“Evidently the 3-0 result is clear and came about through three set plays, something that has also cost us in other games. By that stage we didn't even have the strength to react,” he said of the 3-0 home defeat to Milan.

“This is a very difficult moment in which we tend to be punished at the first chance. It's true we didn't create much, but we also kept Milan down too and it took a dead ball situation to break the deadlock.”

The Coach opted for a new 4-4-1-1 system, but it failed to solve their issues.

“We often went with long balls that were difficult for Amauri to deal with. With this system we need a lot of pressure down the flanks, which allows us to run fewer risks at the back and creates a few more problems for us going forward.

“We tried to change and clearly it did not go well. I changed in part because of the players who were missing, so it was to some degree a forced decision. I opted to go down this path and take full responsibility.”

Guus Hiddink remains in the background as a potential replacement for Ferrara and the fans staged protests during the final minutes of the match, setting fire to the stadium seats.

“I don't think that I risk my job. I am far more concentrated on what we need to do in order to turn around this negative situation,” noted Ferrara.

“The rest is not up to me and I don't make those decisions. I try to do all I can to overcome this bad moment, then I will accept any decision.

“I am not the kind of person who abandons the ship. It's not my style and I will try to turn this around.

“I understand the disappointment of the fans. Our attitude must change their minds and the way things are going. Everyone is disappointed and we're sorry for that.

“I don't think it would be wise to set targets right now other than to recreate the enthusiasm with which we started the campaign and then build from there.”


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Then why the hell did you play Marchisio on the flank?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! De Ceglie was on the bench and he played well against Milan last year. Abate is not even a proper right back FFS. Antonini plays left and hasn't even got a left foot, and we have Brazzo against him. If that was supposed to be our strength tonight then fuck me sideways, we may as well have foreifted the game. It just reeks of clueless.
AlexRossi
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Jan 10 2010, 05:22 PM) *
What is Antonio Conte going to do with this team? He is no different an appointment than Ferrara. Even if we appoint Hiddink right now I don't have faith even he could turn us around. He isn't going to make players appear back from injury is he? He would still have the conundrum of trying to fit Diego into the team, where to play Melo, it just looks desperate. On another day we could be like Milan, and everything is positive, but this is football. What really gets me is we never have the guys available to try to dig us out of trouble. How can we possibly find any consistent form with different key guys missing from week to week? First it is Trez, Alex and Camo plus others, then they come back and another 2-4 go out the team, then they come back and another 2-4. On top of that the coach can't find a suitable system. It's a joke. We need to get back to being solid first, and go from there. Ciro tried to stifle and go for 0-0 today with that system, but Melo fucked up again and we found ourselves 1-0 down and he has no plan B. We made Milan look great but Juve should only lose 3-0 at home to really good teams, this is not a really good Milan team.


If you look at it that way then there is no coach out there no matter how good that can fix Juves situation right now.

With all the players brought into Juventus this summer and our great youth system we have a tone of depth in our squad. Even with our injury problems we should be playing a million times better. We still have good players out there. We need a coach who will know how to use them in there proper way and we need a coach who will remind the players that take the field that they are playing for Juventus.
AlexRossi
We all ready lost 6 games and we are only at half the season. When was the last time we lost this many games?
Funki
QUOTE(JuveJay)
I know it is all roses and applause at Milan right now but that could change.

It's all roses because our last two opponents made us look good and this could easily change in a couple of weeks. Hell, it could even occur next weekend. I'm happy with the six points and, sure, we're in good form but let's face it we wouldn't achieve these kind of results if you guys and Genoa played better and didn't make those defensive errors.
brasil5x
QUOTE(Funki @ Jan 10 2010, 05:23 PM) *
It's all roses because our last two opponents made us look good and this could easily change in a couple of weeks. Hell, it could even occur next weekend. I'm happy with the six points and, sure, we're in good form but let's face it we wouldn't achieve these kind of results if you guys and Genoa played better and didn't make those defensive errors.



be a little positive ,Milan are doing well ,look at last 7 games
SaoPaulista
good for Ronaldinho and Milan
juve-vn
The result and performance is a disgrace... Seems a change is inevitable now...

Preferrably Ciro gets back to youth training for an experienced coach for this season and some 3-4 more years... then he can take charge of Juve with full confidence and knowledge...
Rentboy
Only made 9 dollars from the bet, should've put more money on it, the result was inevitable.
JuveJay
QUOTE(brasil5x @ Jan 11 2010, 03:11 AM) *
be a little positive ,Milan are doing well ,look at last 7 games

I agree, but I can see why their fans might not get too carried away. I'm just speaking as a Juve fan, we were terrible.
JuveJay
I don't think it was, not considering our record against Milan, but if you had told me we were going to put in such a spineless and clueless display I would have put money on myself laugh.gif

It was also the first time we hadn't scored in 35 home games. What do you expect with an off-form Amauri playing on his own against Nesta and Thiago Silva, with Diego trying to form a one-man attack.
Rentboy
Diego can keep trying to be creative but from what I saw he just gets no support, no one really makes runs or anything. It's sad. And what was Felipe Melo thinking during the first corner goal, he's a poor man's Vieira (or insert DM here) IMO.
JuveJay
Melo just lapses in concentration every single game. Perhaps he can away with it playing for the Selecao, but in Serie A you need to actually be awake to play.
JuveJay
QUOTE(AlexRossi @ Jan 10 2010, 11:53 PM) *
We all ready lost 6 games and we are only at half the season. When was the last time we lost this many games?

1998-99 we finished 6th having won the scudetto the previous year, and had to play Intertoto to qualify for the UEFA Cup. We lost 10 games that season, I have no doubts we will do as bad or worse this year if something doesn't change.
Signorina Magic
this is getting really old...wake me up when the season ends s.gif
JuveJay
QUOTE
“Leonardo was very good and intelligent: he chose the formation according to the players at his disposition. I believe that all coaches should do it: looking at the squad and understanding which formation is the most adept.” Galliani said.

Fucking mong. I suppose other coaches look at the squad and deliberately pick players who don't fit the system, out of position, so they lose the game. I think Galliani has cracked it! There is no club quite like Milan to rub your face in it with stupid patronising PR.

Saying that, looks like Ferrara is doing his best to right now.
Tobinho
Pleasing result, won't read too much into it though seeing as Juve are in such poor shape.

I'm not a fan of the press saying Milan are now challenging Inter, 8 points off with a game in hand at Fiorentina who can actually defend. That's far from challenging. Securing automatic CL qualification would be a good achievement bearing in mind the terrible start to the season.
JuveJay
Chiellini tough on Juventus

Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini says there are no excuses for losing 3-0 at home, especially against rivals Milan.

The defeat effectively knocks Juventus out of the title race and puts Ciro Ferrara's job in serious jeopardy.

Speaking to Sky Sport Italia, Chiellini said: “It was an undoing, you cannot lose 3-0 a home. We made all three goals ourselves.

“The blame is ours, mine above all. We should examine our consciences. Juventus cannot be like this. I don't believe that I will sleep easily tonight.

“Now we have to be realistic. It's too important to finish in the top three. There are objectives. We cannot be without motivation six months from the end of the season.

“We all have to give more and turn this situation around. It's everyone's fault, it's wrong for all the blame to fall on the Coach.”

Asked about the fans' protests before, during and after the game, Chiellini said: “We are used to certain pressures. It's normal that they protest. Obviously it would be better if they supported us for 90 minutes.

“It's like this in Italy. But it's up to us to do our part,” he concluded.

http://www.football-italia.net/jan11i.html

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Chiello knows the protest isn't aimed at him anyway, he has been a lion all season, I feel sorry he has to play in such a poor side.

I can't believe a team coached by Ciro Ferrara can be so poor at defending, can't even defend simple set pieces. Of course you have to factor in all the individual errors by clowns such as Melo so then you turn to Secco and Blanc and wonder why they spent £23m on a player who is valued at about £12-15m on the market. That guy really needs to pull his finger out, the tired excuse is bullshit after the winter break.
JuveJay
How stats lie:

Statistics

Juventus- Milan

8- Corners - 9

14 (4) - Shots ( on target) - 7 (4)

28 - Fouls - 15

2 (0) - Yellow cards ( Red) - 1 (0)

4 - Offside - 8
Tobinho
Possession plz.
JuveJay
Something like 39%-61% iirc.
Funki
QUOTE(brasil5x)
be a little positive ,Milan are doing well ,look at last 7 games

I admitted that we're in good form but, sorry, I'm not reading that much into these 'crushing wins' over clubs that played badly or didn't even bother at all (Samp). I'm not going to suddenly believe that we're Scudetto/CL contenders who can easily handle the likes of Inter, Viola and Man Utd like some others overzealous fans out there. I'd like to see how we fair against a top club who isn't in poor shape.
brasil5x
QUOTE(JuveJay @ Jan 11 2010, 03:30 AM) *
Melo just lapses in concentration every single game. Perhaps he can away with it playing for the Selecao, but in Serie A you need to actually be awake to play.


he actually does very well with seleção
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